Ryanair - which airports do they allow duty free bag PLUS hand luggage

richardw

bagand96 wrote: »

If an airport is displaying notices, and people can report success, then job's a gudd'n!

Strictly speaking it most definitely isn't a gudd'n.

You have an agreement with ryanair and if it isn't in their terms and conditions, then you can't take an extra 'shopping' bag.

If shops want to sell more stuff and ryanair wants to agree to it, then ryanair needs to put it in their terms and conditions.

k3lvc

bagand96 wrote: »

I think you may be a bit too cautious.

Yes, Ryanair T&Cs are very clear and very strict - one piece only. However, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that local agreements may have been struck? between the airline, retailers, airports and handling agents? Bristol, for example, have erected large signs displaying the fact that easyjet and Ryanair passengers can take the bag. These are official signs by the airport authority, that also use very large and prominent logos of said airlines. I doubt very much they are chancing it.

The strict one bag policy has probably had a big effect on retailer bottom line. And the airport authority have to look after the retailers as customers, as much as the airlines (they probably make far more money from the retailer than they do from Ryanair)

MOL may well give out the image that he is the big shot in European Aviation and that everyone plays by his rules or they F*** off. This is of course true in many cases. However, even MOL must admit that when you fly to any particular airport, it's the airport authority's trainset and they make the rules. In many cases he has just upped and left when it hasnt suited him However, using the examples of EMA/BRS/LPL they are all very successful and profitable bases for Ryanair. They wouldn't walk away just because the airport sets it's own rules on carry on bags and airside purchases. No man is a mountain.

One thing is for sure. These airports/retailers wouldn't be displaying signs if it wasn't the truth. For a multitude if reasons, they wouldn't last 5 minutes!

Thus could be a very useful thread without all the negativity and scare stories. If an airport is displaying notices, and people can report success, then job's a gudd'n!

It's fine at BRS by the way

A good considered post and I agree much of it but it doesn't stop the imbalance between Airport and Airline T&C's and unfortunately gate agent on behalf of Airline has the final say.

If I were a betting man (and I haven't inside knowledge but do have a fair amount of insight) I'd expect a ruling soon relaxing the '1 bag' rule but strict adherence to the 10kg.

Out of interest at those airports where they are 'allowing' an extra carrier bag is it weighed at the gate ?

richardw

k3lvc wrote: »

If I were a betting man (and I haven't inside knowledge but do have a fair amount of insight) I'd expect a ruling soon relaxing the '1 bag' rule but strict adherence to the 10kg.

I'd bet that there will eventually be charges for large hand luggage bags that must go in the overhead locker, this has already happened in the US on Spirit Airlines http://www.spirit.com/Policiesbags.aspx

Hobsons_Choice

Out of interest at those airports where they are 'allowing' an extra carrier bag is it weighed at the gate ?[/QUOTE]

Not weighed at the gate when I flew from EMA.
Just waved us through, after a careful look at the size of the cabin luggage.

spondon30

The Spanish government recently introduced a new law banning airlines from enforcing the notorious ‘one bag rule' that has hit travel retail sales hard in recent times.

http://www.almeriafreeads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5323

k3lvc

spondon30 wrote: »

The Spanish government recently introduced a new law banning airlines from enforcing the notorious ‘one bag rule' that has hit travel retail sales hard in recent times.

http://www.almeriafreeads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5323

THis would be a 'law' that comes into force in October which the majority of UK airlines have said they'll reject and take through the courts

bagand96

richardw wrote: »

Strictly speaking it most definitely isn't a gudd'n.

You have an agreement with ryanair and if it isn't in their terms and conditions, then you can't take an extra 'shopping' bag.

If shops want to sell more stuff and ryanair wants to agree to it, then ryanair needs to put it in their terms and conditions.

But if it is allowed at that particular airport then what is the problem? Regardless if it follows the letter of the T&Cs or not. If I were the manager of WHSmith and I decided just to erect the notice to help increase my sales, I guarantee I'd have the handling agent station manager, and the airport duty manager round very quickly demanding an explanation to why there has just been a riot at Gate 17 where the Malaga was boarding.

Whether Ryanair have agreed to this, or it has been dictated by the airports doesn't really matter, these signs wouldn't be there
unless it was legit. Bristol have gone as far as putting on their website.

Ryanair haven't, and won't, ammend their T&Cs for simplicity. Currently:

Strictly one item of cabin baggage per passenger (excluding infants) weighing up to 10kg with maximum dimensions of 55cm x 40cm x 20cm is permitted. (handbag, briefcase, laptop, shop purchases, camera etc.) must be carried in your 1 permitted piece of cabin baggage.

They are not going to go for something like:

Strictly one item of cabin baggage per passenger* (excluding infants) weighing up to 10kg with maximum dimensions of 55cm x 40cm x 20cm is permitted. (handbag, briefcase, laptop, shop purchases, camera etc.) must be carried in your 1 permitted piece of cabin baggage.

* At East Midlands, in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag each containig purchased items from WHSmith
* At Bristol in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag containing purchased items from airside duty free
* At Liverpool, in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag containing purchased items from Boots

It wouldn't take long for that to get rediculous, given the amount of airports Ryanair fly to. They also probably don't want to openly advertise that it is the case.

A good considered post and I agree much of it but it doesn't stop the imbalance between Airport and Airline T&C's and unfortunately gate agent on behalf of Airline has the final say.

True, and although the handling agent represents the airline, they are also licensed and permitted to operate by the airport authority, so have to play by their rules too. Which is why it goes back to this being done, with everyone on board, singing from the same hymn sheet, rather than individual retailers acting on their own.

Out of interest at those airports where they are 'allowing' an extra carrier bag is it weighed at the gate ?

Not seen it myself, but then again, I've never had, or seen, ANY hand baggage being weighed at the gate on a Ryanair, or any other airline flight. Although I believe its becoming more common with Ryanair.

Toby_Fella

bagand96 wrote: »

I think you may be a bit too cautious.

Yes, Ryanair T&Cs are very clear and very strict - one piece only. However, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that local agreements may have been struck? between the airline, retailers, airports and handling agents? Bristol, for example, have erected large signs displaying the fact that easyjet and Ryanair passengers can take the bag. These are official signs by the airport authority, that also use very large and prominent logos of said airlines. I doubt very much they are chancing it.

The strict one bag policy has probably had a big effect on retailer bottom line. And the airport authority have to look after the retailers as customers, as much as the airlines (they probably make far more money from the retailer than they do from Ryanair)

MOL may well give out the image that he is the big shot in European Aviation and that everyone plays by his rules or they F*** off. This is of course true in many cases. However, even MOL must admit that when you fly to any particular airport, it's the airport authority's trainset and they make the rules. In many cases he has just upped and left when it hasnt suited him However, using the examples of EMA/BRS/LPL they are all very successful and profitable bases for Ryanair. They wouldn't walk away just because the airport sets it's own rules on carry on bags and airside purchases. No man is a mountain.

One thing is for sure. These airports/retailers wouldn't be displaying signs if it wasn't the truth. For a multitude if reasons, they wouldn't last 5 minutes!

Thus could be a very useful thread without all the negativity and scare stories. If an airport is displaying notices, and people can report success, then job's a gudd'n!

It's fine at BRS by the way

I think the whole point of this is that so called "duty free" within the EU does not exist therefore what is the point in dragging it across Europe when it is probably cheaper to buy it on arrival.

While everyone hits on Ryanair for criticism it is worth pointing out that Thompson and other charter airlines have a lower carryon allownace than Ryanair........

richardw

"They are not going to go for something like:

Quote:
Strictly one item of cabin baggage per passenger* (excluding infants) weighing up to 10kg with maximum dimensions of 55cm x 40cm x 20cm is permitted. (handbag, briefcase, laptop, shop purchases, camera etc.) must be carried in your 1 permitted piece of cabin baggage.

* At East Midlands, in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag each containig purchased items from WHSmith
* At Bristol in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag containing purchased items from airside duty free
* At Liverpool, in addition passengers are permitted one carrier bag containing purchased items from Boots"

The ryanair website knows where you are flying from and should be able to issue a supplementary term or condition applicable to your departure airport when you get your booking confirmation for clarification purposes.

lowcostripoff

bagand96 wrote: »

I think you may be a bit too cautious.

MOL may well give out the image that he is the big shot in European Aviation and that everyone plays by his rules or they F*** off. This is of course true in many cases. However, even MOL must admit that when you fly to any particular airport, it's the airport authority's trainset and they make the rules. In many cases he has just upped and left when it hasnt suited him

One thing is for sure. These airports/retailers wouldn't be displaying signs if it wasn't the truth. For a multitude if reasons, they wouldn't last 5 minutes!

Thus could be a very useful thread without all the negativity and scare stories. If an airport is displaying notices, and people can report success, then job's a gudd'n!

It's fine at BRS by the way

Do people fly on aeroplanes because they like going to airports, or do they go to airports because they want to travel? For some reason many EU airports seem to think they call the shots over the airlines (and passengers) with the delusion that they are in the shopping mall business and not (as they should be) in the transport business, especially in the UK. Just look at the EU/UK facilities compared to Asia, like LCCT, BKK or the Singapore low-cost terminal or these UK "drop-off charges". Asian airports can make money without these alleged "necessary charges". Likewise, many UK airports openly advertise "tax-free shopping" for EU passengers. or "Tax-Free equivalent prices", (this should mean 20% lower than the High Street), neither of these alleged statements are true and are very misleading for the traveller. So if they are prepared to go down this road of "muddying the waters" like this, I doubt they would have any worry to claim that everything purchased can be carried on board. Likewise, why do the airports not attack airlines like Thomson etc etc who have a much stricter carryon limit than RA (5kg)? Could it be that they pay for airbridges and play the game a lot less agressively than RA?