You can refuse the Work Programme

moose1982

Bob_the_Saver wrote: »

I wonder if we forgot about the hi-viz vests it would reduce the dole queues, one way or another.

I don't know why, but I'm pretty sure Iain Duncan-Smith has had this thought run through his mind...

donnajunkie

Weird_Nev wrote: »

Goodness, that's a bit harsh!
Sounds like the kind of thing that would happen in a Police State or some kind of Fascist Regime!

these people havent got alot going on between the ears and would soon be changing their tune if it happened to them.

donnajunkie

Bob_the_Saver wrote: »

I wonder if we forgot about the hi-viz vests it would reduce the dole queues, one way or another.

how would it reduce the dole queue? these people are still on the dole if they are working for jsa.

SarEl

donnajunkie wrote: »

how would it reduce the dole queue? these people are still on the dole if they are working for jsa.

Oh dear. I think you are missing the point - albeit not a remotely sensible one.

What happens to people who wear dark clothes (no hi-viz vest) when they are out on the highways, and visibility is poor?

donnajunkie

SarEl wrote: »

Oh dear. I think you are missing the point - albeit not a remotely sensible one.

What happens to people who wear dark clothes (no hi-viz vest) when they are out on the highways, and visibility is poor?

ok,didnt realise it was just a very bad joke. the way it was written it seemed to just be accepting that making someone wear a high viz jacket( like criminals on community service) was out of order.

tescobabe69

donnajunkie wrote: »

ok,didnt realise it was just a very bad joke. the way it was written it seemed to just be accepting that making someone wear a high viz jacket( like criminals on community service) was out of order.

Where I used to work no one is allowed to walk on site without a high viz.High viz is nothing to do with criminality, its about having high visability.You have been out of the workplace too long.

SarEl

donnajunkie wrote: »

ok,didnt realise it was just a very bad joke. the way it was written it seemed to just be accepting that making someone wear a high viz jacket( like criminals on community service) was out of order.

I am not convinced it was a joke. Around here one cannot always tell.

donnajunkie

tescobabe69 wrote: »

Where I used to work no one is allowed to walk on site without a high viz.High viz is nothing to do with criminality, its about having high visability.You have been out of the workplace too long.

it wouldnt have been mentioned if it was meant in the health and safety sense. the poster clearly has contempt for the unemployed. it was obvious they were comparing the unemployed with criminals on community service.

dseventy

I have a few questions to those that are trying to find legalities around the work programme :

1) Objection on passing on details to third parties

Have you objected to passing your details to the bank who pay your benefit? apart from Giro claims which direct payments replaced, you would have filled in your sort code/account number to get paid JSA.

Why are the same arguments about passing details to third parties not mentioned in this context? Banks are private companies (mostly) looking to make profit.

Why no objection?

2) The money the Work Programme costs to taxpayers.

You are asking for the state to pay you money. Thats from tax-payers money. Why the sudden concern about how much things are costing?

Is it really just about having to do something your dole money?

And if it is, why not just say, support will fall with you or not, but at least double standards are not on show. It makes you look desperate and work-shy, IMO and just reinforces the stereotype on JSA claiments.

D70

imatt

2) The money the Work Programme costs to taxpayers.

You are asking for the state to pay you money. Thats from tax-payers money. Why the sudden concern about how much things are costing?

Is it really just about having to do something your dole money?

And if it is, why not just say, support will fall with you or not, but at least double standards are not on show. It makes you look desperate and work-shy, IMO and just reinforces the stereotype on JSA claiments.

Sorry, but this is a rather odd argument! In other words, someone on JSA should shut up about ALL aspects of govt expenditure???

The problem with the WP is not just the cost. Is is that as with the New and Flexible New Deal before it, it is very inneficient. Indeed, the Job Centre used to get better results than the current crop of W2W providers. There is far too few staff available. This leads to clients not being seen for weeks and some cases MONTHS on end (if the WP is so great, how is this allowed to happen?). Many staff that are available are poorly trained and incompetent. And as I have mentioned more than once on other threads, some W2W companies, namely A4e and Working Links have been fined for commiting FRAUD (forging signatures).

I strongly suggest you and others listen to this recent program on BBC Radio 4:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014ggh3

Now maybe YOU think this is an acceptable way to spend or rather squander taxpayers money. I and many others here and elsewhere do not!