Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things

elantan

cbd222 i understand what you are saying about the electronic dispenser ... but with that for all the person knows the individual may have taken non prescriptive tablets that might react with the prescribed ones ( that arnt in the electronic pill dispener ) also reactions between drugs dont happen every time you take them ... i have known people that can take a set of meds for years and had no issues ... but on one very rare occasion they have a severe allergic reaction (and sadly sometimes tragic) i have known of one person that has died of stephen johnsons syndrome... that is a horrible death no matter how you cut it ... so yes you can keep an eye out for obvious drug mix reactions .. but you can never protect against the rare kind
once again sadly potentially fatal ,,,i'm not saying that that wouldnt work ... it may do but it would have to be done under advise ( i would be very very reluctant to do it tbh ... and the cocktail and amount of drugs that i can administer at any one time is staggering)

i also understand what you are saying about it being the prescribers responsibility .... but if your the carer believe me your gonna hold yourself responsible ... no matter what ... that isnt fair on the carer

and yes i agree with you that some carers are cheating ... i am disgusted ( though sadly never surprised) with what can happen in the industry ... it's appalling what some of these people do ( and get away with)

pn... please dont assume that because they work for the social dept that they are trained ... the social work dept often contracts this job to the cheapest ... i am not saying that the company you are working with are not good ... i am not saying that the person hasnt been trained or that your old has been abused in any way shape or form ... i am just suggesting you dont assume anything ... ask ... ask what kinda of training they have had ... ask to which standard they are trained

i fully agree the services etc for older people need to be overhauled ... they shouldnt be forced into anything ... i get really really angry when i see ( and i see it very often) that older people that have paid into society worked hard all their lives, went without for the good of the country etc, get pushed off into a care home because it is too expensive to keep them at their home ...

i also wish there was alot more sheltered accomadation, and a kinda half way house between their own home and a care home that was ran in a way that was really good for all concerned ( more staff to ensure safety etc ... all the time)

its good atleast that her meds dont have to be given at a certain time ... i work with a hour window (but we are strongly advised not to use this window)

i wish you all the best of luck for dealing with your old ... and hope you come to an adequate solution soon

lostinrates

one of the cats started snoring in front of the fire today. I wouldn' have minded but we had company. A room full of people talking very loaudly then a short silence punctuated by a cat snore. She was so happily and deeply asleep I was able to lift her to explain the source of the sound then put her back ithout her waking...though she wriggled a bit. Then tryin to get the attention back to the matter in hand when 8 burly chaps wanted to see ''the cutie freakie sleepy cat''. The other one sat in the midle of the rest of us wailing for attention.

silvercar

My late grandmother had a carer coming every morning and evening to give her meds. Her problems was partially her sight and some general confusion.

It was fairly easy to get her to understand that she was only to take the tablets that the carer gave her and not to self medicate. Far easier than it was for her to try to take the right tablets at the right time.

Some carers were very caring, others were less so. So not an ideal system but far better than leaving her adminster her own meds.

All the problems that elantan mentions were risks, but most would be risks if the patient self administered.

lostinrates

silvercar wrote: »

All the problems that elantan mentions were risks, but most would be risks if the patient self administered.

This. But also, life is not risk free. There are risks in every job, leisure activity and choie we make, and tbh, you never know wher the opportunity or risk to make things better/worse, safer/unsafe for people will be. e.g. the other week someone's young child was running head towards a road and I grabbed it. There is a risk it ight have had some sort of fragile condition that made my grabbing it more risky than it running into the (at that time empty) road. Or that I could have been accused of something heinous....no small risk these days...or that in grabbing it I might have bruised it or terrified it or anything. On balance, to me a small toddly kid seems safer to be grabbed and returned when balance against the risk of the alternative.


The argument of ''choice'' and ''there should be x'' also seems to me to be something of a choice, albeit a less open one. e.g. old has chosen to stay in her home, which has equity to release which could enable other choices. She has chosen to stay in area, when she could go anywhere. It fine to make those choices, just like its fine for any of us to choose what we want but to not appreciate they are choices seems to me a little self deceiving and a bit of a cop out.

we make choices about where we live, where we work, what qualifications we get to open or close access to jobs and earning potential too. We might not all have the capability to earn hundreds of thousands, the lucky breaks to earn millions but most of us have some degree of choice, even if the choices are grim. In this part of the world the choices are greater than in many, many other parts where the choices are significantly bleaker and often terminal. Its very easy to get focused on what we don't have access too, but less to remember what we do have and what our choices have lead us to. PN's old has a home, choices she feels aren't right for her children to call, and other support. It might not be first class or delux but it seems to me a better choice she'd have with no family and no state involvement.

lostinrates

I hope the silent NP who sent me this (hello if you still read this thread:)) doesn't mind e haring the link and raising the issue.

When we were talking about Gypsy weddings I asked what happened for gay travellors and the lurker remembered that and sent me this link this evening that I thought some others who were interested at the time might want to read:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/1126/1224308163780.html


also, I really miss WS these days. I hope she and the girls are fine and that The Brat is enjoying university now.

LydiaJ

lostinrates wrote: »

I hope the silent NP who sent me this (hello if you still read this thread:)) doesn't mind e haring the link and raising the issue.

When we were talking about Gypsy weddings I asked what happened for gay travellors and the lurker remembered that and sent me this link this evening that I thought some others who were interested at the time might want to read:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2011/1126/1224308163780.html


also, I really miss WS these days. I hope she and the girls are fine and that The Brat is enjoying university now.

Fascinating. Thanks lir.

I miss wageslave too. Wageslave - if you're reading this, come back and join us.

lostinrates

I locked myself out this morning. Grrr. Thankfully its warmer than it was yesterday and I found a pair of scissors which facilatated my reentry and the only thing damaged were the scissors.

purch

I guess now you know just how easy it would be for a professional to do the same :eek:

lostinrates

purch wrote: »

I guess now you know just how easy it would be for a professional to do the same :eek:

The way I see it, if a professional is going to get in then they are going to...with or without scisors. Very little stops someone breaking a window, for exaple, and ganing access tht way. Thankfully, I don't ind being caught on cctv entering my own home, and the smart watered items can be traced back to me if I'm caught in posession. Also, the dogs are pretty much likely not to kill me...on purpose anyway.

purch

I think that is pretty similar to what HID said to me after I made the same observation when she entered the house using a credit card.

P.S. The good news was that the CC was unusable afterwards, which curbed spending for a few days :j