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Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things
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neverdespairgirl wrote: »I've heard Glasgow described as being "Belfast Light".....
Don't be put off
It's a very positive place.
The Scottish /Israeli author Chaim Bermant used to compare Glasgow (the Wee Apple) with Tel Aviv (the Big Orange) and used to compare the Central Belt rivalries with the Tel Aviv / Jerusalem rivalry.
Anyone who's seen the Wire will know that Glasgow's like Baltimore to Edinburgh's Washington.
Without the death rates, I'd hurriedly add!There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »Drivers, however, are presumed to take into account any road conditions prevailing. So skidding on black ice and hitting another car is your "fault".
Those are natural hazards. A seriously thick cloud of smoke being allowed to drift across the motorway is not.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
I don't want to say more than I should, but I know that both public and private sector organisations can be held liable (either civilly or criminally) for road accidents that occur as a result of the condition of the road. I understand that it is necessary to prove that they were negligent (or for criminal prosecution, grossly negligent) in allowing the road condition to be that way, and also that the accident was a direct result of the road condition.
The CPS require pretty overwhelming evidence for a criminal prosecution of corporate manslaughter or similar - I get the impression that "gross negligence" has to be very gross indeed to qualify. However, I would imagine that the firework organisers' public liability insurance may or may not (depending on the findings of extremely lengthy investigations) end up on the hook for civil compensation claims running into the millions... lots of millions. The legal expenses of the victims making the claims (or their families) can be met by the their car insurance companies, although I don't know if that applies to all policies or just some of them.
(NDG if you want to know more details of what I'm talking about, I'm happy to PM you, but I suspect it would be a bad idea for me to put it on a public forum.)Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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Scotland doesn't really “have” it or rather it doesn't exist outside the West of Scotland. I went to college on the east coast and people there thought it was a weird madness, and couldn't understand it at all.
The problem in Scotland though that some outsiders don't realise, is just how dominant Glasgow is. It looks small on the map but it's a giant city in a relatively small country.
I'm proud of Glasgow and the fact that it's largely outgrown the religious divide, mainly on the grounds that absolutely everybody agrees that it's mince. When you visit a Celtic or Rangers club anywhere else in the UK, if they find you support the other team, they just laugh and welcome you in.
The sad freaky stuff recently about the old firm teams and death threats, assaults and bullets in the post is only one-way though. I’ll see if I can remember whether it’s Protestant against Catholic or Catholic against Protestant. Ah yes, now I remember.
Perfectly true IME too, I stand corrected. A good mate is a Hibs fan and he probably feels more kindly towards Hearts fans than I do towards Ars**al ones! (I believe that they were also set up along the religious divide but it simply doesn't matter to them any longer).
It takes 2 to fight. Celtic fans always seem to claim that it's the other mob, Rangers fans claim it's always the Hoops starting trouble. My opinion is that they're as bad as each other.0 -
I read online that a fireworks company turned down the Taunton gig a couple of years back due to fears about where stuff would end up as it was so close to the motorway.... they didn't want the risk.
Company who did it this year are saying nothing.0 -
I should have shut up. I should know better than anyone - it's unwise to speculate. There's a lot of confusion, not surprisingly, talk about fog, mist, standing water, fireworks & smoke, and all sorts.
So I shouldn't have commented at all, apologies. Let's wait and see what emerges. All we can tell at the moment is that it was a horrific incident, I think....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »I should have shut up. I should know better than anyone - it's unwise to speculate. There's a lot of confusion, not surprisingly, talk about fog, mist, standing water, fireworks & smoke, and all sorts.
So I shouldn't have commented at all, apologies. Let's wait and see what emerges. All we can tell at the moment is that it was a horrific incident, I think.
Thanks NDG. I've edited my post - to make it more general and take out most of the speculation. As you say, we must wait and see, although I think it may be a long wait. Investigations of this kind can take years.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »I should have shut up. I should know better than anyone - it's unwise to speculate. There's a lot of confusion, not surprisingly, talk about fog, mist, standing water, fireworks & smoke, and all sorts.
So I shouldn't have commented at all, apologies. Let's wait and see what emerges. All we can tell at the moment is that it was a horrific incident, I think.
The latest I heard is that the fireworks show finished some minutes before the crash. So, maybe that's them in the clear, because any smoke would have dissipated? Or, the display ended with a particularly big lot of fireworks, with extra smoke, and it took a few minutes for it to roll across the motorway? I'm sure that we'll hear lots about that in due course.
The argument about motorists having to drive within the limits of the available visibility would be stronger in daytime, when they could be expected to see a cloud of smoke heading towards the motorway. In the dark, they might be in the smoke before they realised it was there.
I don't see any harm in your speculating. We are hardly going to influence any enquiry.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
When I was much younger the farmers used to do stubble burning which meant on bright clear days you would suddenly run in to a bank of dense smoke, it was always unclear how much to slow down, you obviously didn't want to run into any vehicles in front that had slowed right down or stopped but nor did you want to be hit from behind by following vehicles that slowd less than you. Not long after I started driving the practice was banned.I think....0
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However, I would imagine that the firework organisers' public liability insurance may or may not (depending on the findings of extremely lengthy investigations) end up on the hook for civil compensation claims running into the millions... lots of millions.
The fireworks company should have had liability insurance, but it may have been limited to say £5m, whilst this claim could be 10 times that (conceivably). That could leave all the members of the rugby club (not just the committee running it) on the hook for the difference, depending on how the club was constituted. AFAIK, most rugby clubs are not limited companies, although that may all change as a result of this.
Edit: Completely wrong on that one. It's a limited company - just checked their website.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0
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