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Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things
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For those that know the changeover from the M5 to the M4, driving from the West Country to London, well I am surprised I am alive. .
I agree with you about modern cars. The other thing I find interesting is I taught dh to drive in my nice little car, and he never quite ''got it'' ...he drove but was not a driver IYSWIM. When he got his defender, which is about 20 years old and has not a single bell or whistle, feeling the mechanics of the car in a more basic way made every thing ''click'' for him. Its very interesting to think that drivers are so removed from the mechanics of the car, when even when I learned, which isn't ancient history yet, there was very clearly a ''thigh bone connected to the knee bone'' feel, you knew what did what in the car.
re that junction, I know it VERY well, for a while my commute took me on it twice a day. Coming south on m5 onto m4 I find it ....ok, but going north to join m4 I find it rather disorganised and over complicated, and because of the pressure of other drivers changing lanes confusedly have more than once opted for reasons of saftey to go up the M5 to the next...long distant junction, because staying in my lane was going to get me thwacked in the car.
Its a ''fast motorway'' the m5, and at times when I have used it it feels...as is no bad thing for a motorway....almost entirely used by copmmercial vehicles. Sadly I know that lots don't take it, because being stuck on the a37 from bristol althe way to the a303 behind a slow moving lorry with no oppertunity to overtake was also part of many days' commute.
BUT, I am eternally grateful to a lorry driver on the m5 who helped me when there was a fire under my bonnet. My commute was too long and I was tired, and this was compounded by fumes coming from the bonnet before I could see any danger, the lorry driver, familiar with my type of rubber band, tin can and a bit of cardboard car guessed what was happening and pulled me over onto the hard shoulder, made me sit on the grass way up away for the motor way while he first dealt with the fire and then aired my car before letting me proceed (he happened to have a spare tube that dealt with all the damage...it was the kind of car you could fix with a pair of tights a hanky and a bit of tube and a whack from a hammer if you know anything about mecano). I am pretty sure that being pulled over before the fumes could see me make a very serious driving error, probably saved my life and terrifyingly, possibly the life of someone else.0 -
Luckily things are only half as bad as you think. Only one football boss has had death threats and been assaulted by a rival team's fan during a match.
Luckily only one team's supporters in the Scottish parliament have been sent bullets in the post.
The elephant in the room on this issue is that it's always a one-way process Protestant on Catholic.
The Catholics have decided there's no reason to fight. They're in Scotland to stay and contribute, not make trouble. They're claiming the right to do so and they know the consequences of making trouble.
The troublemakers hiding in (and not representative of) the majority protestant population would like you to think they're reacting to terrible provocations from the ethnic /religous minority, buit one reason Scotland's growing out of its anti-Cathoic prejudice is because its realised its Catholics have no more ability to exercise prejudice over the majority population than a tail has the ability to wag a dog.
No offense, Generali and zagubov, but can we keep this subject out of the Nice People's thread? Even though it has been good tempered so far, it is bound to bring out the Nasty People soon enough.
This thread is mainly for talking about chocolate, to be honest with you.Edit: Completely wrong on that one. It's a limited company - just checked their website.
I might be wrong, and NDG will be able to comment, but Limited Liability only protects so far. If they knowingly put peoples lives in danger, I can't help but think the Directors are likely to be in deep trouble.
Of course, this does not prejudge the issue, it is entirely hypothetical since I think it best to leave the court and legal process to decide.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
No offense, Generali and zagubov, but can we keep this subject out of the Nice People's thread? Even though it has been good tempered so far, it is bound to bring out the Nasty People soon enough.
This thread is mainly for talking about chocolate, to be honest with you.
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Quite happy to do so.:)
Reading it over, it's a poor fit for the thread
Won't speak of it again.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
I might be wrong, and NDG will be able to comment, but Limited Liability only protects so far. If they knowingly put peoples lives in danger, I can't help but think the Directors are likely to be in deep trouble.
Of course, this does not prejudge the issue, it is entirely hypothetical since I think it best to leave the court and legal process to decide.
Agreed, there's corporate manslaughter etc, but liability stops at the directors, not the entire club membership.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
No offense, Generali and zagubov, but can we keep this subject out of the Nice People's thread? Even though it has been good tempered so far, it is bound to bring out the Nasty People soon enough.
None taken.
My rule is that for stuff like this that I give a reply on the NP thread. I say what I think and then let it go.
Sometimes I'll start a thread to follow up and sometimes (as in that and this case) I'll just let it go.
zagubov and I clearly disagree; such is life. (S)he's had his say, I've had mine. I have no problem with zagubov and given the PM from zag (s)he has no problem with me.0 -
None taken.
My rule is that for stuff like this that I give a reply on the NP thread. I say what I think and then let it go.
Sometimes I'll start a thread to follow up and sometimes (as in that and this case) I'll just let it go.
zagubov and I clearly disagree; such is life. (S)he's had his say, I've had mine. I have no problem with zagubov and given the PM from zag (s)he has no problem with me.
Totally agree!:)There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Agreed, there's corporate manslaughter etc, but liability stops at the directors, not the entire club membership.
Leaving aside the possibility of a criminal charge, I understand that in cases like these the civil liability is often eventually shared, with the litigation arriving at a percentage for each of the people/organisations involved. Some of the drivers (ie their motor insurance companies) will get some of the liability on the basis that they should have been driving with regard to possible adverse conditions. Which drivers end up with how much of the liability depends on what the police investigation finds out about who crashed into whom in what order. Other possibles include the rugby club and the highway authority. If the rugby club got an outside company in to set up the fireworks, they'd probably end up with some of the liability too. There may also be other contributors about whom we know nothing as yet.
The legal process will take several years, I would imagine.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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Does anybody remember my feral cat, Bombay Duck? Well, she's started bringing one of the ferals with her, a little cat we've called The Gambia. She's much braver than Bombe and will come right up to us, but hisses if we touch her. She and Bombe are really close friends, they even share a plate to eat from, though I put two out. But today The Gambia has come twice, and alone each time. I wonder where Bombay is, and if she's ok. Thats the thing with ferals....you never know if they are dead, ill/introuble or just not visiting for a while.0
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neverdespairgirl wrote: »I should have shut up. I should know better than anyone - it's unwise to speculate. There's a lot of confusion, not surprisingly, talk about fog, mist, standing water, fireworks & smoke, and all sorts.
So I shouldn't have commented at all, apologies. Let's wait and see what emerges. All we can tell at the moment is that it was a horrific incident, I think.
Hmmm.....looks like your speculation could be true.Assistant Chief Constable Anthony Bangham confirmed seven people had died and said he was focusing on the event held on Friday night.
He said "a blanket of thick smoke" was across the M5 at the time of the crash.
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lostinrates wrote: »Does anybody remember my feral cat, Bombay Duck? Well, she's started bringing one of the ferals with her, a little cat we've called The Gambia. She's much braver than Bombe and will come right up to us, but hisses if we touch her. She and Bombe are really close friends, they even share a plate to eat from, though I put two out. But today The Gambia has come twice, and alone each time. I wonder where Bombay is, and if she's ok. Thats the thing with ferals....you never know if they are dead, ill/introuble or just not visiting for a while.
Whilst I sympathise with your concerns, it's possibly good news for the local bird population. Also, twice as much food for Gambia. Every cloud, etc.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0
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