TCP parking notice in a hospital

geordieracer

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Agree with your points until your final sentence. Blue Badges do not apply on private land - no matter how much retailers, hospitals, other services and PPCs may like to pretend that they do.

I wrote an answer to you last night but given how tired i was it appears that i didnt 'post' it. !!!!!!.

But in a Laborious way round things hospital land isnt private at all - they own the land that they are built on and as such they then belong to the government ergo, us. So its actually public land which should be monitored as such in my view - though we'll never get council wardens round to implement it - but we should.

RENEGADE_2

esmerobbo wrote: »

Slightly off track but one thing really hacks me off. I regularly go to a local hospital which has 6 disabled bays outside the outpatients. Luckily it has a designated disabled car park [80 places] further away and a mini bus that circles the hospital to take you were you need to go.

Outside the outpatients is a drop off pick up point. I see people drop the disabled person off at the entrance, then park in one of the bays near the entrance. Place the badge on the screen then walk in or wait in the car. So when a disabled "driver" comes they need to go to the car park.

I do wish sometimes people would think do I really need to park here, or should I leave it for someone who really does.

Getting back to the Nurses problem. The infamous Aintree hospital has one staff car park were there are always places! However you need to be a consultant to park in there!!!

The badge is one's licence. Life is full of loopholes, there are swings and roundabouts. This is why the main message I deliver throughout most posts is - appeal to a person's conscience, don't move to punish him. I knew a chap (passed away now) who had a badge and was able to take advantage of these things but he simply had a hip problem. He didn't need to swing the door wide open and he was about 5ft 4ins tall. I'd say he didn't honestly need the disabled space at all, his disability was more of an inconvenience than an actual impairment. Our hands are tied here.

Rebecca2210

Getting back to the Nurses problem. The infamous Aintree hospital has one staff car park were there are always places! However you need to be a consultant to park in there!!![/QUOTE]

Quoting this point at the particular hospital I'm talking about you need to be an admin assistant or work in an office in the hospital to get a permit! So no worries you might not have a nurse but you will have someone to file your notes!!!

Rebecca2210

RENEGADE wrote: »

Note that I sympathise for persons in your situation. My ex-wife is a nurse and she has had to park in nearby estates. Luckily she hasn't had abuse but I am outraged that she should sometimes have to take risks by venturing onto public paths to get to work AFTER having driven 11 miles.

thank you for your help! Forty miles there and home plus a thirty minute walk in the morning before you do a 12 hour shift is no fun believe me. I was just totally unsure how tcp would act and if they would put all my notices together to make it one major payment but so far I have had four individual letters for each notice. Even though we got a memo round saying that non permit holders can park in the car park for the next few weeks then tcp will start to issue warning notes again for people over staying their four hours and then a few weeks after that they will start charging again.

RENEGADE_2

Rebecca2210 wrote: »

thank you for your help! Forty miles there and home plus a thirty minute walk in the morning before you do a 12 hour shift is no fun believe me. I was just totally unsure how tcp would act and if they would put all my notices together to make it one major payment but so far I have had four individual letters for each notice. Even though we got a memo round saying that non permit holders can park in the car park for the next few weeks then tcp will start to issue warning notes again for people over staying their four hours and then a few weeks after that they will start charging again.

Poor girl. You've got it hard, a long journey into work followed by a marathon shift. 12 hours is hard enough in sit-down security (my job), never mind nursing where you are pressurised both physically and mentally. Breaks are derisory too. I am bitterly opposed to ANY form of 12-hr shift. Human beings have lives, others forget. Your working day fetters your sleep, gives you no time for anything social and all of this is rounded up by the working experience. I hope you enjoy your job atleast!

Don't be fooled by a pile-up of "warnings", "reminders" and threats of "pending action". These are scare tactics, you don't owe them a penny. This is why we call them "threatograms"; they are 101% unenforceable. Any questions on why, please ask.

Rebecca2210

Thanks again for replying I am confused as to why these people are employed to hand out fines but yet these are unenforceable? This makes no sense to me at all!
And yes I do love my job even though it is stressful when stupid things like parking fines cause more stress! But I always come home feeling like I've achieved something when my patients walk out the door or get a means or a reason to why they feel unwell! :-D

trisontana

Rebecca2210 wrote: »

But I always come home feeling like I've achieved something when my patients walk out the door or get a means or a reason to why they feel unwell! :-D

Unlike the parasites who work for private parking companies. They should get a proper job instead of trying to con money out of people.

Coupon-mad

It's because they are not employed as such, by the hospital or Supermarket or anywhere else they carry out their protection racket.

There are 2 scenarios whereby these scammers end up in a car park doing their worst. Either the hospital has identified a parking problem exists and has actively sought out a parking firm, or the parking firm has approached the hospital directly saying 'we'll sort out your (imaginary or otherwise) parking issues for free'.

Hence me calling their practice a protection racket. Very similar.

Anyway, normally the hospital or Supermarket are hoodwinked by the 'pitch' of a smarmy parking firm employee, like in the Apprentice! And they have no clue that these PCNs are in fact not parking tickets, not fines and just an allegation of a breach of contract.

I guess until they get lots of complaints, they don't care.

That's why, if you ask the hospital or retailer about the 'PCNs' issued in their cark park, the vast majority of employees will have swallowed the line that these are real fines. I have had conversations with 2 Sainsburys employees who thought their 'fines' were great and just could not understand that they are not fines and can be ignored. They really had fallen for the PPC World spiel.

RENEGADE_2

Rebecca2210 wrote: »

Thanks again for replying I am confused as to why these people are employed to hand out fines but yet these are unenforceable? This makes no sense to me at all!
And yes I do love my job even though it is stressful when stupid things like parking fines cause more stress! But I always come home feeling like I've achieved something when my patients walk out the door or get a means or a reason to why they feel unwell! :-D

Just so you know, they are not "fines". They know better than to use this terminology, that is the single most self-damaging word they can use. Those PCNs (Parking Charge Notice) avoid the terms "penalty" and "fine" as only courts can issue either of these. Although you and I know that the private PCN is a de facto penalty, they cover their backsides by avoiding the word. What you have is an invoice, one which you dispute and to which you reject the legality. You're right about work, these are pathetic individuals. Whose day have they made better when they return home from a shift?

Now buy everyone a present and spread this information to all your colleagues and friends. Let them know they need never pay private PCNs issued at shopping centres, hospitals or supermarkets; take care with railway stations because of specific laws, some you can, some you can't. With hospitals you are all right.

Sirdan

RENEGADE wrote: »

Just so you know, they are not "fines". They know better than to use this terminology, that is the single most self-damaging word they can use. Those PCNs (Parking Charge Notice) avoid the terms "penalty" and "fine" as only courts can issue either of these. Although you and I know that the private PCN is a de facto penalty, they cover their backsides by avoiding the word. What you have is an invoice, one which you dispute and to which you reject the legality. You're right about work, these are pathetic individuals. Whose day have they made better when they return home from a shift?

Now buy everyone a present and spread this information to all your colleagues and friends. Let them know they need never pay private PCNs issued at shopping centres, hospitals or supermarkets; take care with railway stations because of specific laws, some you can, some you can't. With hospitals you are all right.

Sorry to be pedantic but there are numerous statutory bodies that can issue penalties. In the context of parking these include the Police and Councils.

This is a small but important point ,the reason these Parking companies can not issue penalties is that they are private as in they have no statutory authority.