Public sector wellcome to the real world

afc80

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Totally agree. Seems everywhere north of the M25 and maybe except for one or two large cities like Manchester & Edinburgh, public sector do very well pay/pension-wise compared to the rest of us.

i take it you are not aware of Aberdeen?.

Public Sector jobs in Aberdeen are generally done by women, and im not being sexist, just stating a fact.

Working for the public sector in Aberdeen is a very poorly paid job.

I know of purchase ledger clerks in oil companies earning in excess of £40,000 pa and on a final salary pension scheme.

bonzor

Isn't it Schadenfreude that the original poster displays in such abundance?
'The pensioners disunited will always be defeated'
My pot is small I will only be happy if yours is smaller etc etc

Old_Slaphead

afc80 wrote: »

i take it you are not aware of Aberdeen?.

Public Sector jobs in Aberdeen are generally done by women, and im not being sexist, just stating a fact.

Working for the public sector in Aberdeen is a very poorly paid job.

I know of purchase ledger clerks in oil companies earning in excess of £40,000 pa and on a final salary pension scheme.

Well clearly Aberdeen is another exception - presumably due to the concentration of oil industry there.

I must say that I've never heard of a PL clerk on £40k - in my business, £14k with no pension is the going rate (which is below CS clerical remuneration).

dori2o

When people compare jobs to the public sector, such as the call centre analogy a few pages back, they are not comparing like for like business practice. They also do not take into account that a lot of private sector contact entres are sales driven, therefore the employee in the private sector can earn commission on their salaries, and in many cases, this commission is worth not only a few pense, but is the incentive to work there as it is almost guaranteed.

The PS don't get commission on for example the amount of tax they manage to recover. Those in the private sector also have access to employer benefits such as company cars, medical insurance, preferential loans etc. Again, these are not available in the public services, especially at the lower end of the scale.

I applied for a job at Barclays, and was offered it, doing call centre work- cold calling to recover outstanding balances- arrange payment plans etc, something similar to what I do at HMRC, collecting money people don't want to or can't pay.

Basic salary was £19500 +plus a £7500 benefits package, + upto £3.5k per month commission.

Why didn't I leave. After speaking with my family and union and people outside these 2 (including speaking to existing Barclays emloyees regarding the employers reaction to disabled employees who need time off to attend medical appointments/therapy or just eed time to rest/recouperate (i.e. be ill)) I decided to stay as it has taken 4 years to get settled with my disability and get my employer to make adjustments etc, and I didn't fancy going through that again with all the stress it has already caused.

But it is a good example of how the private sector do have better options that he public sector when it comes to pay.

paparossco

Serwotka and Maude clash on 'Today'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9526000/9526631.stm

Francis Maude was less than convincing - 'floundering' over affordability - 08.00mins . Bang goes his promotion.....

Muscle750

End of the day we in the private sector had our final salary pulled from under our feet long time ago why do those in the public sector many of whom have been on a "Gravy train" thanks to the tax payer for years be any different As in one of my earlier posts I know of a high postion person working "overseas" in the FCO salary in excess of £120k £25k per annum "living expenses" and a £22k education expenses for the kiddywinkles to be educated at Public school. And the pension been offered is basically they take the last 10 years of your "FCO service" which has seen over £100k paid every year then for a mind blowing 3% of present salary a nice £100k a year pension. I know not everybody is earning this sort of money and many earn more in the private sector but i just dont get why Mr and Mrs average in the public sector should be any different to Mr and Mrs in the private sector. End of the day they dont contribute to my private sector pension Many comments on the news and in the press over last few days have basically said you where alot better in the public sector in the past and gurantees made now seems things maybe made more equal
One other person i know working for GCHQ quite high up admitted that his job bought "pop star" life style and a "working lunch" recently in a Lebonese London restaurant saw a bill on the expense account of £550 for 6 people also another person in GCHQ had a "overseas clothing allowance" of £2k as it was a bit on the chilly side where they were been deployed for 3 months. and this was back in the 90s.

Old_Slaphead

paparossco wrote: »

Francis Maude was less than convincing - 'floundering' over affordability - 08.00mins . Bang goes his promotion.....

Maude was not impressive on Today.

The argument on pension reform is irresistable - even the Labour aka Public Sector Party recognise that. The Government needs someone who's persuasive, eloquent and in possession of the facts (ie that 1.4% in 50 years may be "affordable" but it's certainly not fair).

Perhaps they should call on Boris Johnson for some help in presentation skills

And BTW why shouldn't Civil Servants wait another 8 years to get their gold-plated pensions - what's so special about them?

Uglymug

“Serwotka and Maude clash on 'Today'. “

Serwotka didn’t say very much left most of the talking to Maude. I now know why he isn’t prepared to debate the issues - he didn’t offer any solutions and certainly wasn't prepared to listen to reason.
Serwotka did use the usual Union tactic about referring to people in very privileged positions. I presume he wasn’t referring to himself and his £125,000 salary and his pension worth millions. If I was a member of his Union I'd certainly be very disappointed with his performance.

dori2o

Muscle750 wrote: »

End of the day we in the private sector had our final salary pulled from under our feet long time ago why do those in the public sector many of whom have been on a "Gravy train" thanks to the tax payer for years be any different As in one of my earlier posts I know of a high postion person working "overseas" in the FCO salary in excess of £120k £25k per annum "living expenses" and a £22k education expenses for the kiddywinkles to be educated at Public school. And the pension been offered is basically they take the last 10 years of your "FCO service" which has seen over £100k paid every year then for a mind blowing 3% of present salary a nice £100k a year pension. I know not everybody is earning this sort of money and many earn more in the private sector but i just dont get why Mr and Mrs average in the public sector should be any different to Mr and Mrs in the private sector. End of the day they dont contribute to my private sector pension Many comments on the news and in the press over last few days have basically said you where alot better in the public sector in the past and gurantees made now seems things maybe made more equal
One other person i know working for GCHQ quite high up admitted that his job bought "pop star" life style and a "working lunch" recently in a Lebonese London restaurant saw a bill on the expense account of £550 for 6 people also another person in GCHQ had a "overseas clothing allowance" of £2k as it was a bit on the chilly side where they were been deployed for 3 months. and this was back in the 90s.

but again, you are quoting 2 examples of what is very few and far between.

Despite your anecdotes it doesn't change the fact that what is being reported in the press does not represent the MAJORITY of the public service.

At the end of the day I have my plans sorted whatever the outcome. Come retirement age the government will be giving me every penny I have to live on, whether that be via the so called 'gold plated' pension or state handouts.

As many have discussed within the civil service, if the government illegally change our terms and conditions they leave themselves open to civil court cases. There are a lot of people wiling to take this to the EU courts.

Me, I'll cease to continue paying into a pension, use the money to fund a BTL and sell the property come retirement time, along with my own home and live in state funded housing for the rest of my life.

atush

By the way Gordon Brown did very very very much more damage to private pensions than Robert Maxwell ever did.

This is so true it isn't funny. If it wasn't for Brown Raiding OUR private pensions years back, and spending EVERY penny with nothing held back for the lean times (and nothing to show for it either), the country and our own pensions would be in a better state. And maybe there would have been money left in the pot tp prop up public service ones. But there isn't.


the last govt spent the lot.

Me, I'll cease to continue paying into a pension, use the money to fund a BTL and sell the property come retirement time, along with my own home and live in state funded housing for the rest of my life.

Go on and try it but it won't work. They wont' pay for your care with that much cash in the bank. The council will make you pay for your own carehome. I the meantime you won't get tax releif, you won't get your employers contribution, you could lose equity as prices fall, and you could suffer vacant periods. Not to mention having to pay tax on the rent which could push you into a higher band. Go on, buy property. But have a pension too.