Public sector wellcome to the real world

Darren_G

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I'd be interested to see the source of your 11% figure.

If you had been following this thread, you would have read my earlier post . I do not profess to know what every scheme rate is, nor have I ever intimated that I do.

It seems those representing the public sector are more willing to provide detailed information and are still having their motives and sources questioned, yet everyone else who quotes hearsay and chinese whispers has what they say accepted without question.

I cannot vouch for my colleagues, but my employer contributes 13.2% to my pension, however, part if this is my 'contracted out of SERPS' national insurance contribution, which everybody who pays national insurance has the option to do if they have a personal pension

Darren_G

relic wrote: »

You call your examples real, yet just give us numbers,

They are what they are. If you want to check the local authority pay scales, an assistant gardener in Leeds is graded 'A1' in the new scale references. If you want to check the private company, apply for a job with them, as that seems to be the only way to get an exact figure.

relic wrote: »

I'm looking right now on the JCP website where they are advertising private and public sector jobs in admin and call centers. Average wage for the private sector is around £12,500 where as the starting wage for a basic admin role in the public sector is £14,000.

so the only directly comparable jobs, according to you, are call centre staff?

Uglymug

"Was calling "foul" the full extent of your resistance?"
We didn’t have jobs which involved serving the public and then holding them to ransom whenever it’s suggested our future terms of employment change. If we don't like our new terms we have to hand our notice in and find new jobs - that's the real world.

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"Uglymug - nobody had a choice in what they accepted, the work was put out to contract and the jobs were offered by the private company that won the contract. It is costing about £600k more using the private sector.. "
What's that got to do with the fact that a public sector worker is far better off on £12500 than a private sector worker on £14400 when you include the benefits of being in the public sector (Pensions which if bought privately would cost tens of thousands of pounds, huge redundancy payouts, indefinite sickness leave etc. etc. etc.)

out_of_cash

i think whatever the outcome with teachers pensions etc, they will all be sitting quite nicely at the end of the day unlike most of working class UK ltd!

batter the bankers ,not the teachers nurses etc,but we cant have that happen here can we.

Darren_G

Uglymug wrote: »

What's that got to do with the fact that a public sector worker is far better off on £12500 than a private sector worker on £14400 when you include the benefits of being in the public sector (Pensions which if bought privately would cost tens of thousands of pounds, huge redundancy payouts, indefinite sickness leave etc. etc. etc.)

It is not the fault of public service workers that their pension funds are run with member's interests in mind, just as it is not the fault of those contributers in the private sector who fell foul of the likes of Robert Maxwell.

Read my earier posts. My involvement in this thread was never to justify strike action or to cry the poor tale. In an ideal world, we would have a government that looked after the working man and woman, and there would be a fund everyone could join with equal benefits. Instead, they twist facts - assisted by those who do not have a complete picture, while all the while they are still getting contributions to their pensions to the tune of 20%-22%.

I am sure most public sector workers would accept the changes if MPs were prepared to do the same to their own benefits.

dori2o

Uglymug wrote: »

"Was calling "foul" the full extent of your resistance?"
We didn’t have jobs which involved serving the public and then holding them to ransom whenever it’s suggested our future terms of employment change. If we don't like our new terms we have to hand our notice in and find new jobs - that's the real world.

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"Uglymug - nobody had a choice in what they accepted, the work was put out to contract and the jobs were offered by the private company that won the contract. It is costing about £600k more using the private sector.. "
What's that got to do with the fact that a public sector worker is far better off on £12500 than a private sector worker on £14400 when you include the benefits of being in the public sector (Pensions which if bought privately would cost tens of thousands of pounds, huge redundancy payouts, indefinite sickness leave etc. etc. etc.)

love to see the proof of this one!!!!!

Darren_G

Thanks for pointing that one out dori2o!

Another misconception is that public service workers milk the sickness system, when in reality, although the 'benefits' are there on paper, local authorities are tightening up procedures (not really because they want to be more streamlined, but because sickness levels are a key performance indicator, so it is an 'easy win' for statistical purposes) and it is much easier to dismiss someone due to excess sickness than most people expect

Cranny44

I didn't say every single public sector worker fared better - I said that they seem to do well in comparison outside of London[/QUOTE]


Well i can assure you thats not my LA we have had no pay rise for 4 years now with none in sight, i work for the lowest paid LA in the country and they get away with that due to the rurality and poorness of the area. On the plus side no-one has lost their jobs only the temporary contracts have ended when most other LAs have made redundancies. :cool:

In my dept we all travel to visit vulnerable clients the petrol allowances havent gone up for over 4 years either and i currently get 12p a mile :eek: and can travel 600 miles per month regular so it costs me to visit and the same most of my colleagues too.

I too have worked in the private sector and got a bum pension deal due to being female :mad:

Yes i am now going to have to pay more for my so called above average pension but lets face it there will probably be no state pension left when i get there or i will probably have to live til 90 to get it..

Cranny44

Darren_G wrote: »

Thanks for pointing that one out dori2o!

Another misconception is that public service workers milk the sickness system, when in reality, although the 'benefits' are there on paper, local authorities are tightening up procedures (not really because they want to be more streamlined, but because sickness levels are a key performance indicator, so it is an 'easy win' for statistical purposes) and it is much easier to dismiss someone due to excess sickness than most people expect

Sickness lol....

In my LA office of 5 none of us has had a sick day in over 5 years

Anyone has a sick day they are interviewed by mangement after just one day sick, and they request doctors notes all the time and take no-ones word for it.. I have known cases where they have issued formal warnings at the hospital :eek: Sick is a very serious subject in my LA..

Uglymug

OK I'll concede that my point re sickness was a bit harsh - my other points remain valid.
The fact still remains that public sector pensions are guaranteed and underwritten by the tax payer.
Every index linked £3,000 pension given to a 60 year old public sector worker costs the taxpayer circa £100,000 (the price of an equivalent private pension annuity) - as people live longer this cost will increase. This can NOT be sustained - the system will eventually break.
If nothing's done about this some time in the near future the public sector won't be striking to save their pensions they'll be striking to save their salaries and jobs.
Greece has overspent big time, have any public sector people noticed what's been happening there? If we don't do something now about Britain’s overspending we'll see the same happening here (the excuse that it’s the Bankers fault is laughable, we’ve been overspending for years, the bank bail out was just the last straw that almost broke the camels back)
By the way Gordon Brown did very very very much more damage to private pensions than Robert Maxwell ever did.