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JennyJewell

Sorry niftyone - in answer to your question of course you don't have to be a distributor to make a comment, I'm not and I have opinions I just wondered if you had actually tried it before telling people to avoid it? Business reviews beg to differ on this - Wikaniko has received very good reviews from people in the know to be fair.
Jen

niftyone

JennyJewell wrote: »

Sorry niftyone - in answer to your question of course you don't have to be a distributor to make a comment, I'm not and I have opinions I just wondered if you had actually tried it before telling people to avoid it? Business reviews beg to differ on this - Wikaniko has received very good reviews from people in the know to be fair.
Jen

Your telling people to try it when you havent so whats the difference,if it was that good why did you join an alternative opportunity recently instead of Wikaniko.;)

Where are these business reviews you talk about apart from the one written when it was first launched ?Lots of people praise it on the net but they are distributors.

I have spoken to a number of distributors and they told me there is little or no money to be made from catalogeing etc etc The time and effort you need to put in is not worth .A couple also said the real money is recruiting people so you can earn from there efforts.

As i have said before no one seems to be able to show that reasonable money can be made initially , and some of the products they sell leave a lot to be desired anyway.Also unlike other MLM Direct Selling companies Avon ,Kleeneze etc etc they are not members of the industry watchdog the DSA. I wonder why ?

JennyJewell

niftyone - I do take your point I'm not sure why I haven't joined yet - I do love the sound of it though I think it's because I flutter from company to company, I get itchy feet so often,lol! I will never succeed in anything if I keep doing that - this I know,lol! I think it's because I'm in a position at the moment whereby I can't afford to pay anything out - contract of job has ended and have to re-apply and go through interview again the same as last year, it pretty much sucks to be honest I do love my job - just not the process I have to go through every year I like the look of Wikaniko - have tried some products and they are fab, I love the Eco side of it, it's really right up my street of beliefs Just think I'm nervous of spending out at the moment or more to the point I really haven't any spare cash to spend out. I'm not actually telling people to try it to be fair - I'm just not telling people not to try it, I think people should be able to find out for themselves - some people may find it's exactly what they're looking for while others may find it's not so much for them.
The business review I found is somewhere on the net - it's possibly the one you have seen but it does rate Wikaniko as a good business and that it is fair to it's distributors as well as it's customers which is something I do appreciate.
I think you do have to work hard in any business you join whereas in a job you do as you're asked or told to do without question. Personally I get excited when I join a new venture but lose my self-discipline quickly which is obviously something you need - a flaw of mine that I wish didn't exist.
I do hear what you're saying though and maybe I will bite the bullet one day and try it for myself
Good luck to anyone looking for the thing that suits them
Jen

Peter_Pan

Its fair enough if people have researched it and chosen not to join themselves, thats what its all about making an informed decision for yourself. Perhaps those that have posted saying there is no money to be made from the retailing can tell us how they know this without trying it? or perhaps is it from Distributors who are solely interested in team building as the qualifying amount is easily reached by purchasing your own everyday items. We are personally finding it on par with other brochure companies we have been in and are finding regular customers, as in other Companys like Kleeneze it does take time and effort to find the customers. The payplan rewards those that retail well and its not just for team builders.
What is so different in my opinion is HQ are willing to listen and i'm sure they would be interested to hear comments on what puts people off joining, I am quite happy to pass any comments on and I would also be very interested to hear peoples genuine comments if they have researched the biz themselves and decided something isn't quite right . Theres nothing worse than people saying negative things but not backing it up with facts and just commenting everywhere without at least letting the Company having a chance to look at it and see if there is something they could perhaps change/alter,tweak.

Debbie

LeifGR

Peter_Pan wrote: »

What is so different in my opinion is HQ are willing to listen and i'm sure they would be interested to hear comments on what puts people off joining, I am quite happy to pass any comments on and I would also be very interested to hear peoples genuine comments if they have researched the biz themselves and decided something isn't quite right .

Well a year ago I contacted them to point out that I would not want to promote products under false pretexts. I gave them all the information they could possibly need about why some of the products they were selling were scams (see this post and others). I received a noncommittal reply that they would look into it.

A year on, they are still merrily selling these snake oil products (Home Power Saver and EPS Fuel Saver to mention two).

So -- it would seem that the HQ are willing to listen only if they like what they hear.

I couldn't with a pure conscience promote products to people knowing that they don't do what they are claimed to do. YMMV...

The_Analyst_2

niftyone wrote: »

A couple also said the real money is recruiting people so you can earn from there efforts.

Well of course! That's because it's an MLM - lots of people all selling and/or consuming for themselves small amounts of product that they would use for themselves willingly anyway. Customers being paid to recommend other customers - that's the business model. Why do people see introducing other people as a bad thing and earning off other people's efforts as somehow sinister? After all, every employer does it.

niftyone wrote: »

As i have said before no one seems to be able to show that reasonable money can be made initially

Not unusual for an MLM. They seem to discourage the kind of blanket cataloguing that makes you initial money in Avon and Kleeneze. If anyone has dropped and collected a thousand catalogues and/or repeated an area more than twice I'd be interested in hearing their results.

niftyone wrote: »

Also unlike other MLM Direct Selling companies Avon ,Kleeneze etc etc they are not members of the industry watchdog the DSA. I wonder why ?

I wondered why too, so I rang the DSA a while ago - it's because they haven't requested membership (for which they'd have to pay a hefty fee, presumably). In fact the lady that took the call hadn't even heard of them, so it's not that they have been black-listed in any way. They probably don't think it's worthwhile at the present time to become a member of a body arbitrarily set up by their longer-established competitors.

missterryshopper

For someone who claims to have no interest in Wikaniko. The Analyst seems to be fond of digging up old threads on them.:D

billsavings

The_Analyst wrote: »

Well of course! That's because it's an MLM - lots of people all selling and/or consuming for themselves small amounts of product that they would use for themselves willingly anyway. Customers being paid to recommend other customers

If the emphasis is on recruiting its not MLM its Pyramid Selling,
and where does it say customers are paid to recommend other customers.

The_Analyst_2

missterryshopper wrote: »

For someone who claims to have no interest in Wikaniko. The Analyst seems to be fond of digging up old threads on them.:D

I'm not a distributor, if that's what you mean, but I DO have an interest in Wikaniko, as I stated on another thread.

billsavings wrote: »

If the emphasis is on recruiting its not MLM its Pyramid Selling, and where does it say customers are paid to recommend other customers.

Pyramid selling is illegal. In a legitimate MLM people only make money from the sale of products, not from fees paid by new recruits. Also, sales of the product are in small regular quantities to satisfy the orders of the distributor-consumers plus the non-distributor retail customers (as opposed to filling up garages with unsold stock to qualify for a fast start). I grant you that there have been MLMs, particularly some American ones, that sailed rather too close to the wind, but any industry has dodgy operators in it - you just have to assess each on its own merits, which is what I am trying to do here.

billsavings wrote: »

where does it say customers are paid to recommend other customers.

Most distributors in a typical MLM are wholesale customers themselves (maybe not so much with Kleeneze, perhaps), so yes they get paid to recommend other customers, by signing up as distributors and sponsoring people instead of simply retailing.

In this day-and-age, when good MLM companies have been around for decades, why do people still strugggle to understand the basic concept of lots of people buying and selling a little instead of a few selling a lot? Criticise a particular company, product, pricing structure or compensation plan by all means, but why bother commenting if you don't actually understand the commonly accepted, highly regulated and well-established business model?

PatrickD

Hi

just joined the forum as I was reading through the Up Your Income forum and found a thread about Wikaniko.

I'll declare straight away that I'm a distributor with Wikaniko and if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them for you. I'm no expert as I've only been with the company for a matter of months, but I've been in MLM before, with an American company, but found it very hard to retail any products as the prices were too high. I haven't found a ''price problem'' with Wikaniko yet, so the retailing side is easier.

Good analysis of MLM and how it works from the Analyser, by the way.

Pat