Public Sector Strikes

Rotor

"That seems to be the problem with a lot of people. They seem to think that EVERYONE in the public sector has an easy life working school hours and having all school holidays off. There are other occupations in the public sector apart from teachers!!"


Yea - but I've never been hit by a paramedic




( No gregg1, no no -that was a joke. Caaalm caaalm No it was , really. Some of my best friends are teachers ; unsurprisingly we agree to disagree )

atush

'We' the public don't think that all PS workers have school teachers hours. And we sympthise to an extent. and yes, certain sectors should retire earlier, or be switched to jobs in the service that aren't as demanding as time marches on.

But, you have been sheltered from what has been happening on the real world these last ten years and we have already had to undergo the pain you are feeling. We already have to work longer and contribute more- those who had FS pensions have been forced to give them up. Private sector workers are woring longer hours for lower pay.

we should not have to put up with the pain and disruption that the Strikes will bring, as we have already delt with the pain ourselves. If you think we will all rise up behind you to save you from a fate we are already experiencing you will be sadly disappointed.

We feel sorry for you but cannot afford to keep you where you are today I am afraid. Like we feel sorry for the greeks, but they had a retirement age under 60 and are asked to move in line with the rest of europe, and a country full of nationally owned ineffficient businesses that need to be sold off. They don't like it, but it has to be done.

Flyboy152

atush wrote: »

'We' the public don't think that all PS workers have school teachers hours. And we sympthise to an extent. and yes, certain sectors should retire earlier, or be switched to jobs in the service that aren't as demanding as time marches on.

That would be perfect, but where are these jobs that are less demanding?

But, you have been sheltered from what has been happening on the real world these last ten years and we have already had to undergo the pain you are feeling. We already have to work longer and contribute more- those who had FS pensions have been forced to give them up.

Why?

Private sector workers are woring longer hours for lower pay.

As are public sector workers, in fact, they have been doing so for decades.

we should not have to put up with the pain and disruption that the Strikes will bring, as we have already delt with the pain ourselves. If you think we will all rise up behind you to save you from a fate we are already experiencing you will be sadly disappointed.

And why should even more people accept failing standards in employment conditions?

We feel sorry for you but cannot afford to keep you where you are today I am afraid.

And yet you expect the public sector to pay for the mistakes of the private sector.

Like we feel sorry for the greeks, but they had a retirement age under 60 and are asked to move in line with the rest of europe, and a country full of nationally owned ineffficient businesses that need to be sold off. They don't like it, but it has to be done.

But why should there be "a race to the bottom?" Surely, you should be fighting to improve your conditions, rather than expect others to accept worse ones.

paramedic

atush wrote: »

'We' the public don't think that all PS workers have school teachers hours. And we sympthise to an extent. and yes, certain sectors should retire earlier, or be switched to jobs in the service that aren't as demanding as time marches on.

But, you have been sheltered from what has been happening on the real world these last ten years and we have already had to undergo the pain you are feeling. We already have to work longer and contribute more- those who had FS pensions have been forced to give them up. Private sector workers are woring longer hours for lower pay.

we should not have to put up with the pain and disruption that the Strikes will bring, as we have already delt with the pain ourselves. If you think we will all rise up behind you to save you from a fate we are already experiencing you will be sadly disappointed.

We feel sorry for you but cannot afford to keep you where you are today I am afraid. Like we feel sorry for the greeks, but they had a retirement age under 60 and are asked to move in line with the rest of europe, and a country full of nationally owned ineffficient businesses that need to be sold off. They don't like it, but it has to be done.

We ALL live in the REAL world. That you chose to work in a job in the private sector with an average pension is your choice.I chose my occupation in the knowledge that it was a physically and mentally challenging job but with a good pension at the end of it.

Cannot afford to keep us where we are? The NHS pension scheme actually pays more into the treasury than it does to its members and was set to contribute over 50 billion to the treasury over the next 20 years so in fact we were keeping you!

Nobody expects employed in the public sector expects anyone to rise with them especially those in the privates sector who collapsed without so much as a whimper when they were challenged on the same!

gregg1

Rotor wrote: »

"That seems to be the problem with a lot of people. They seem to think that EVERYONE in the public sector has an easy life working school hours and having all school holidays off. There are other occupations in the public sector apart from teachers!!"


Yea - but I've never been hit by a paramedic




( No gregg1, no no -that was a joke. Caaalm caaalm No it was , really. Some of my best friends are teachers ; unsurprisingly we agree to disagree )

well you made me laugh so you can't be all bad!

Rotor

paramedic wrote: »

We ALL live in the REAL world. That you chose to work in a job in the private sector with an average pension is your choice.I chose my occupation in the knowledge that it was a physically and mentally challenging job but with a good pension at the end of it.

Cannot afford to keep us where we are? The NHS pension scheme actually pays more into the treasury than it does to its members and was set to contribute over 50 billion to the treasury over the next 20 years so in fact we were keeping you!

Nobody expects employed in the public sector expects anyone to rise with them especially those in the privates sector who collapsed without so much as a whimper when they were challenged on the same!

And paramedic has given me a laugh too.

You do realise that ALL the NHS funding comes from the tax payer?
therefore all the pension funding comes from the tax payer. Except , that is, the contributions from nhs staff. How much do you pay as a % of salary? 6 % -bit more?bit less? Certainly it is a small fraction of the true costs.
Some public sector pensions have a pot of money behind them , (some pots are in surplus) some are paid out of ongoing taxation but those with a pot behind them are still mostly filled by the taxpayer. So you will be returning money which is ours anyway .

paramedic

Rotor wrote: »

And paramedic has given me a laugh too.

You do realise that ALL the NHS funding comes from the tax payer?
therefore all the pension funding comes from the tax payer. Except , that is, the contributions from nhs staff. How much do you pay as a % of salary? 6 % -bit more?bit less? Certainly it is a small fraction of the true costs.
Some public sector pensions have a pot of money behind them , (some pots are in surplus) some are paid out of ongoing taxation but those with a pot behind them are still mostly filled by the taxpayer. So you will be returning money which is ours anyway .

I pay about 6%. The contributions I pay come from my pay which I suppose comes from tax payers too.
Where does your pay come from? From a private company which gains it's profits from tax payers! We are ALL tax payers at the end of the day.

I'm all for privatisation of the NHS. Any person in employment should have to take private health insurance or get taxed more and either pay for ambulance transport or get insured for that too. All emergency treatment would still be free and pensioners and those on benefits would still receive free NHS pensions. Take away National Insurance and we could all afford Private Health Insurance which was applicable to our families needs. If you didn't take out PHI and needed treatment, you would have to pay the full cost or go without.

It would lead to a far more streamlined and efficient NHS and a lot more private hospitals being built therefore reducing the burden on the NHS and taxpayers:D

paramedic

Remember when teachers, social workers, bin men, nurses, doctors and lollipop ladies crashed the stock market, wiped out banks.....took billions in bonuses and paid no tax?

No, me neither!

dacouch

paramedic wrote: »

Cannot afford to keep us where we are? The NHS pension scheme actually pays more into the treasury than it does to its members and was set to contribute over 50 billion to the treasury over the next 20 years so in fact we were keeping you!

Do you have a link for this as I find it very hard to believe, to finance the type of pension a NHS worker would receive from a private pension would require them to contribute in excess of 20% of their wages not 6%. So I cannot see how there would be such a big surplus when they are contributing less than is required to finance their pensions. The flow of money is more likely to be going the other way

gregg1

atush wrote: »

'We' the public don't think that all PS workers have school teachers hours. And we sympthise to an extent. and yes, certain sectors should retire earlier, or be switched to jobs in the service that aren't as demanding as time marches on.

But, you have been sheltered from what has been happening on the real world these last ten years and we have already had to undergo the pain you are feeling. We already have to work longer and contribute more- those who had FS pensions have been forced to give them up. Private sector workers are woring longer hours for lower pay.

we should not have to put up with the pain and disruption that the Strikes will bring, as we have already delt with the pain ourselves. If you think we will all rise up behind you to save you from a fate we are already experiencing you will be sadly disappointed.

We feel sorry for you but cannot afford to keep you where you are today I am afraid. Like we feel sorry for the greeks, but they had a retirement age under 60 and are asked to move in line with the rest of europe, and a country full of nationally owned ineffficient businesses that need to be sold off. They don't like it, but it has to be done.

Most teachers dont have "school teachers hours" - certainly not the ones perceived by some in the private sector!