MSE News: Government launches back to work programme

relic

stephyt23 wrote: »

I don't get preferential treatment at all! I just don't get looked at as a young person who is sitting on my backside all day like a lot of people my age would be looked at. They just know they don't have to talk me through as much info as everyone else as I know how the system works.

Why would the people who work there be thinking that anyway?

Not painting a very good picture of your old workplace.

stephyt23

relic wrote: »

Why would the people who work there be thinking that anyway?

Not painting a very good picture of your old workplace.

Well it wasn't a good place to work anyway! Even the staff said they don't blame me getting out. It was a couple of years ago I worked for them anyway

iluvjohnsarg

The problem with long term benefit claimers is cultural/attitude. There are other countries who only allow a max of 12 months JSA/equivalent - reducing to half after 6 months. If we weren't so soft on the middle to long term unemployed this benefit culture would not be so established in generations of families.

OK I appreciate we don't have the best economy and prospects at this moment in time, but this hasn't been the case for all the time of a lot of these claimants. The government (labour/tory/whoever) have allowed this to happen rather than dealing with it. One of the reasons is voters esp the case of labour/deprived areas. I've paid full tax in 21 of 22 years employment years inc my years at uni/poly and it saddens me to see how this has evolved.

There have been many schemes over the years where job seekers have been "outsourced" to companies and been paid per customer regardless of outcome. The only positive I can see from this is the "agencies" are being paid per outcome. The main negative is the number of job centre staff who are now or iminently going to lose their fixed term contract and be forced to claim JSA and who are more than capable and experienced in doing this job for £20kish per annum compared to the potential £14k per customer paid to one of these sub-contracters to find an individual work.

I'm sorry but the sums don't add up.

saintjammyswine

DCFC79 wrote: »

it is kind of related, D70 brought up the whole supervision thing

back to your question, it doesnt say which jobs would be created but im sure i read that G4S and another firm were involved and i know that G4S do security work for various places and they might be involved in other areas as well

A4E and Maximus are the 2 main contractors on the Work Programme and they are currently going through the sub-contractor recruitment process now.

dickydonkin

iluvjohnsarg wrote: »

The problem with long term benefit claimers is cultural/attitude. There are other countries who only allow a max of 12 months JSA/equivalent - reducing to half after 6 months. If we weren't so soft on the middle to long term unemployed this benefit culture would not be so established in generations of families.

OK I appreciate we don't have the best economy and prospects at this moment in time, but this hasn't been the case for all the time of a lot of these claimants. The government (labour/tory/whoever) have allowed this to happen rather than dealing with it. One of the reasons is voters esp the case of labour/deprived areas. I've paid full tax in 21 of 22 years employment years inc my years at uni/poly and it saddens me to see how this has evolved.

There have been many schemes over the years where job seekers have been "outsourced" to companies and been paid per customer regardless of outcome. The only positive I can see from this is the "agencies" are being paid per outcome. The main negative is the number of job centre staff who are now or iminently going to lose their fixed term contract and be forced to claim JSA and who are more than capable and experienced in doing this job for £20kish per annum compared to the potential £14k per customer paid to one of these sub-contracters to find an individual work.

I'm sorry but the sums don't add up.

Some very valid points, but what happens to those long termed unemployed when their 12 months have ran out?

Do we leave them to fend for themselves on the street and forget about them?

The reality is that the government will still have to pick up the tab.

Probably a vote loser - but I just cannot see the problem where jobseekers receiving benefit should contribute something back - even just a couple of hours of community work a week would at least be something.

What never ceases to amaze me is how people who have been out of work for years manage to retain their sanity - although I accept that for many, it has become a way of life.

My enforced unemployment was probably one of the worst experiences of my life and as you can probably gather from my previous posts on this thread, I get annoyed when posters come on here believing that there are plenty of jobs out there and are there just for the asking.

I suspect that many of these comments are made by those in the comfort zone of being employed!

Vincent_Buenisedes

I'll wager 2 weeks JSA that this will turn out like all pronouncements from this catastrophic government - a big pile of nothing. To think that just simply waving their hand and everyone's off JSA (and the other benefits) is quite simply wishful thinking.

dseventy

dickydonkin wrote: »

Out of curiosity, have you been out of work in the current climate? and please elaborate on your comment 'all types of jobseekers'

Many people reading your posts may come to the conclusion you have not or have any idea what it is like.

Personally no. Do I know a lot about it, yes.

dickydonkin wrote: »

People like yourself and the dmg24 chronies who believe anyone on any kind of benefit should be shot at dawn make me sick.

I have been there after being continuously employed for over 36 years and have come through it, although I agree that there are those that do not want to work, these are the minority and for many - your ridiculous and stupid suggestions are at best unhelpful.

Who said that?

Do you need a job? CHECK
Do you claim off the state as you can't support yourself? CHECK
Do you get the £65 approx a week? CHECK
Do you have to sign on? CHECK

All unemployed people who claim JSA are in this boat. There is no "other boat".

d70

stephyt23

dseventy wrote: »

Do you claim off the state as you can't support yourself? CHECK

I will just point out here that some people may be claiming so their NI contributions are still paid. Some people claiming may still be able to support themselves through small amounts of savings or help from family.

saintjammyswine

My partner is not entitled to any money from JSA but can still claim so her NI contributions are paid.

wakeupalarm

saintjammyswine wrote: »

My partner is not entitled to any money from JSA but can still claim so her NI contributions are paid.

How do you do that? What do you say to claim NI with a JSA payment?