bogus charity: Everyone's Children's Trust

qetu1357

vax2002 wrote: »

Charity is fast becoming one huge over inflated balloon.
Billions of pounds are been paid by unsuspecting members of the public, very few can actually find anyone anywhere who has ever benefited from a charity other than those who work for them on these dream factory wages, with expense accounts, free top of the range cars, free mortgages, free houses, free ruddy everything, but ask most of them to show you who they have given the charity money to and the best they can do is roll out some stock image library pictures of unfortunate people.
The whole show is one over inflated balloon of corruption, greed and self pocketing of money given by the poor that ends up in the pockets of the rich and greedy.
They are all the same.

I am afraid you are talking total tosh.

Are you saying the RNLI, who rely totally on donations, have never helped a single person?

Have you never seen a person with a guide dog?

Perhaps you would like to name one charity which you feel is corrupt, greedy etc?

Of course there are some charities who are bogus - and I wish that the Charity Commision were even more proactive in this area - but the overwhelming number of charities in the UK provide real support.

vax2002

You have just named one yourself .
Remember the guide dogs charity scandal and the buying of hundreds of houses for staff to live in rent free ?
That went under the carpet didn't it

PlutoinCapricorn

I am not sure that the anti-charity poster deserves a reply - the post is far too generalised and is an exaggeration of some unfortunately real but rare cases. The number of big, household name charities that can afford high salaries is not large.
There is definitely a case to be made against some practices, but this is not the way to do it. A reasoned approach with facts and figures is best.

It is ridiculous to say that no one benefits. I forgot to mention Citizens' Advice: I have worked for them and they have helped huge numbers of people for decades. They have cut the number of paid staff, and I think that many others have done the same.

Charities list the number of employees earning over £60,000 in their Trustees' Annual Reports.

qetu1357

vax2002 wrote: »

You have just named one yourself .
Remember the guide dogs charity scandal and the buying of hundreds of houses for staff to live in rent free ?
That went under the carpet didn't it

But you said "the whole show".

I have no doubt in any field there is corruption - politics, big business, media etc etc - so there must in the charity sector. But the overwhelminging proportion of the sector provides real services to real people.

Never heard the one about the one you allege though. Send me a link and I will have a look.

PlutoinCapricorn

This thread was started by ju1ie in connection with Everyones' Children's Trust.

I think that anyone who wants to be an effective charity vigilante would do well to follow her example and look out for the unknown charities that collect directly from naive and unsuspecting members of the public, rather than throwing stones at the huge established charities. These dubious new charities appeal to the emotions: cancer, children and disasters are their main causes. This thread shows what to look for and where to look for it; it also shows that something can be done to stop them collecting.

Perhaps there is a need for an "anti-sham charity" charity ...

trukdiver

qetu1357 wrote: »

I am afraid you are talking total tosh.

Are you saying the RNLI, who rely totally on donations, have never helped a single person?

http://www.myjobsearch.com/careers/rnli-volunteer.html

"Salary
Most positions within the RNLI are unpaid, and are staffed on a voluntary basis. Lifeboat volunteers must attend call-outs 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and do so out of a desire to help others. There is, however, a range of interesting and prospect-driven employment possibilities within the Institution. Example jobs include boat-building, administrative, secretarial, buying, information technology and fundraising. Some volunteers join the RNLI because they are seeking to progress within the organisation. Most do so because they want to be part of the lifeboat crew itself, and to experience the adrenalin and sense of satisfaction that comes with successful rescue operations."

A lot of lifeboatmen have died helping people!

don767

worth looking at

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

The Young Ones Trust has only 1 trustee - ideally there is a minimum of three - called Iain Doherty. WHOIS on the Young Ones Trust website shows that the registrant is a Patrick Smart with an email address at discount-wheels.co.uk.

Apparently the discount-wheels domain was originally registered by Iain Doherty, but he lost it because it was using someone else's trademark thus involving misrepresentation. This line

shows that a company made a complaint against Iain Doherty, won, and took over the direct-wheels domain. Trademarks for air conditioning equipment appear to have been involved: the legalese makes it difficult to follow.

The strange thing is that "discount wheels" sounds like used cars to me, and Everyone's Children's Trust have the same address as a used car company!

I am not sure what all this means, but it was all found via Google and is in the public domain: as Tangible says, this is just reporting facts that anyone could find for themselves. People with research skills and/or experience of the charity world knows where to go for information. The Young Ones Trust Company, of which Iain Doherty is an officer, had over £3,000 in the bank in 2009 by the way. It would be interesting to see the movement of money between the trust and the associated company.

ju1i3_2

Life is so depressing. I just went down to my local Sainsburys where this thread started. Not only is another dodgy-looking dude collecting for a small charity that has spent most of its money on its own expenses (I won't name and shame until I do more research) but when I queried it with the Sainsburys manager, he had no idea if they were vetted or not. He asked me to come back tomorrow and speak to the person who did the charity bookings, although he wouldn't give me her name.

While I was there it occurred to me to ask if Everyone's Children's Trust had booked to collect there again. Turns out they're booked for Oct 10th. (I don't even know what emoticon to use for that.)

I spoke to the manager back in May when this all started and explained all about ECT. I also spoke to Sains head office. They have obv not taken any of this on board.

I am even more impressed with HighChelmer now that they actually did something! when Sainsburys won't do anything.

PlutoinCapricorn

This is unbelievable. I wonder whether ECT will still show up now that they have been 'outed' on MSE.

I wonder whether Sainsbury would be liable for anything if they knowingly permit dodgy charites to collect: more research is needed I suppose. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

qetu1357

ju1i3 wrote: »

Life is so depressing. I just went down to my local Sainsburys where this thread started. Not only is another dodgy-looking dude collecting for a small charity that has spent most of its money on its own expenses (I won't name and shame until I do more research) but when I queried it with the Sainsburys manager, he had no idea if they were vetted or not. He asked me to come back tomorrow and speak to the person who did the charity bookings, although he wouldn't give me her name.

While I was there it occurred to me to ask if Everyone's Children's Trust had booked to collect there again. Turns out they're booked for Oct 10th. (I don't even know what emoticon to use for that.)

I spoke to the manager back in May when this all started and explained all about ECT. I also spoke to Sains head office. They have obv not taken any of this on board.

I am even more impressed with HighChelmer now that they actually did something! when Sainsburys won't do anything.

This depresses me.

I have contacted BBC Watchdog to see if they are interested. Suggest we all contact our MPs and all other popular media.

Restaurants near where I live have to have a "score on the doors" to show how clean and hygenic they are. Perhaps we need something similar for charities?