bogus charity: Everyone's Children's Trust

don767

[young ones trust] based in wansted im a new to this be trying to find out were my money is gone 4 6 months:mad: no reply can any body help me find out how to get there accounts bougs bloody thives

Tangible

Companies House

Name & Registered Office:
YOUNG ONES TRUST
93-99 GEORGE LANE
LONDON
ENGLAND
E18 1AN
Company No. 06666965



Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 07/08/2008

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC (Private, Limited by guarantee, no share capital, use of 'Limited' exemption)
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
7487 - Other business activities
Accounting Reference Date: 31/08
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/08/2009 (TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/05/2011 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 07/08/2010
Next Return Due: 04/09/2011 OVERDUE

Previous Names:
Date of change Previous Name
28/12/2008 CRSA STOCK 10

Website

http://www.youngonestrust.org/YOT/Welcome.html

Registered charity 1129480

Charity Commission website

Accounts for 31 Aug 2010: 82 days overdue
Annual Return for 31 Aug 2010: 82 days overdue
Activities
NO INFORMATION RECORDED
Where it operates
THROUGHOUT ENGLAND AND WALES
Financial history
NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE

Is it ever thus ?

PlutoinCapricorn

don767, you have posted about a charity that seems remarkably similar to the one that Ju1i3 reported. The website is dreadful: the bad English and lack of hard information are totally off-putting. I would never give to a charity like this one.

While the jury is still out on whether or not Everyone's Children's Trust is fraudulent, a relevant factor is that an easy way to make money is to pretend to be collecting "for children". I have heard that many pubs are targetted in this way. Because people who do this are now being challenged and asked for their registration number, they may register just to look good, and then they can collect Gift Aid from HMRC - some on behalf of imaginary donors with falsified addresses.

It does look bad when charities collect money but do not appear to use it for the intended purpose, but it is not fraudulent if they can make a good business case for doing this, saving for a big project for example. I doubt whether this lot could justify their expenditure.

qetu1357

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

don767, you have posted about a charity that seems remarkably similar to the one that Ju1i3 reported. The website is dreadful: the bad English and lack of hard information are totally off-putting. I would never give to a charity like this one.

While the jury is still out on whether or not Everyone's Children's Trust is fraudulent, a relevant factor is that an easy way to make money is to pretend to be collecting "for children". I have heard that many pubs are targetted in this way. Because people who do this are now being challenged and asked for their registration number, they may register just to look good, and then they can collect Gift Aid from HMRC - some on behalf of imaginary donors with falsified addresses.

It does look bad when charities collect money but do not appear to use it for the intended purpose, but it is not fraudulent if they can make a good business case for doing this, saving for a big project for example. I doubt whether this lot could justify their expenditure.

HMRC perform Gift Aid audits and they would soon spot if any charities records were, emm, dodgy.

PlutoinCapricorn

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HMRC have a very small audit team, and cannot possibly visit every charity to perform their spot checks. They concentrate on charities with a large income. They do catch people:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_headline=charity-scam-couple-jailed&method=full&objectid=19263372&siteid=50082-name_page.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23820135-theatre-impresario-jailed-for-20-months-for-gift-aid-fraud.do

This is getting off course a bit, but I wanted to make the point that ever since the current gift aid rules were introduced in April 2000, sham charities have been set up to take advantage of the "free money" . For every one caught, others may be slipping under the radar.

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I regret that I don't have a lot of faith in government quangos to perform their statutory duties. Many are fine at collecting dues but far less rigorous when it comes to enforcing their own rules and regulations.

Have you seen their accounts 'userfun' ?

For the last year that I have access to in 2009 they made a loss of £47,208 which initself is not significant though I'm having trouble working how they have a debtors figure.

On an e-bay page purporting to represent them there is more detailed information

http://donations.ebay.co.uk/charity/charity.jsp?NP_ID=33251

Location: Gants Hill, Essex ig2 6xh

The e-mail address appearing on the WHOIS information for the website registrant is also unusual.

heretolearn_2

HMRC have tightened up on their audits in last 18 months or so.

They generally audit the first claim from all charities (well, nearly all) and then a few random ones as well.

don767

i joined this thread after looking up bougus charity on goggle but the pub landlord:beer: in me smells a rat this bloger has to much information about young ones trust to much detail to quick i only gave the name nothing else mabey you can tell me were the money we raised has gone made a loss pull the other one you know to much whats your job there ?

Tangible

The information I have posted is all publically available to anyone with time on their hands and the ability to Google.

It's difficult to sensibly accuse me of being in league with them when I have said nothing in their defence. Particularly in this area, it is wisest to stick to facts.

I can make a simple check from a connection I have made, if I can get a reply.

qetu1357

don767 wrote: »

i joined this thread after looking up bougus charity on goggle but the pub landlord:beer: in me smells a rat this bloger has to much information about young ones trust to much detail to quick i only gave the name nothing else mabey you can tell me were the money we raised has gone made a loss pull the other one you know to much whats your job there ?

What!?

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