Suspended from work, and I'm innocent.

dacouch

SarEl wrote: »

Only at work? I can't count the number of times I have put something exactly where I know it is, looked there, it isn't there, spent hours searching for it, and when I have given up, found it exactly where I thought it was. I think I have gremlins

Lost things are always found in the last place you look...look in the last place first...;)

bendix

relic wrote: »

What isn't an active act?

Yes, perhaps he should have checked all his pockets first, but if you're sat down in a car, and already have keys in his pocket, perhaps he couldn't feel it in that position.

Hardly rocket science, but the whole scenario you have brought up isn't either. I suggest you never go to a murder mystery night, you won't do very well.

That's all very well, relic, but at the end of the day i live by a principle that has served me well:

If something looks like s**t, smells like s**t and feels like s**t, it isn't sugar.

And this has that whiff about it . . .

I just can't fathom the thought processes and actions you're suggesting in your scenario, but let me try. He takes his tips and puts them in his pockets. He gets in mum's car and goes home. Halfway there, he forgets he has got his tips and instead of checking his pockets (remember, he's not driving!), he decides to go back to the bar. Seriously, are you telling me that in the return journey he didnt think of checking his pockets, irrespective of having a seatbelt on.

Are you seriously telling me that in the 5-10 minutes of the return journey, he couldn't remember getting his tips? Was his memory a total blank - remember, he's going back solely to get tips - wouldnt that make him think about the issue a bit harder?

Are you seriously telling me that when he got out of the car, he didn't check his pockets?

Where were the keys to the bar? In his pockets, perhaps?

No .. this stinks. There is more to it than a hysterical and slightly defensive mother is either prepared to share, or knows.

Booie_2

bendix wrote: »

That's all very well, relic, but at the end of the day i live by a principle that has served me well:

If something looks like s**t, smells like s**t and feels like s**t, it isn't sugar.

And this has that whiff about it . . .

I just can't fathom the thought processes and actions you're suggesting in your scenario, but let me try. He takes his tips and puts them in his pockets. He gets in mum's car and goes home. Halfway there, he forgets he has got his tips and instead of checking his pockets (remember, he's not driving!), he decides to go back to the bar. Seriously, are you telling me that in the return journey he didnt think of checking his pockets, irrespective of having a seatbelt on.

Are you seriously telling me that in the 5-10 minutes of the return journey, he couldn't remember getting his tips? Was his memory a total blank - remember, he's going back solely to get tips - wouldnt that make him think about the issue a bit harder?

Are you seriously telling me that when he got out of the car, he didn't check his pockets?

Where were the keys to the bar? In his pockets, perhaps?

No .. this stinks. There is more to it than a hysterical and slightly defensive mother is either prepared to share, or knows.

At 2.12pm I wrote you an answer to your comment, which you have chosen to ignore, I guess because you fancy a row with Relic,
I am all for people having an opinion, and I respects others opinions, might not agree, but respect them, but somehow, you have taken the facts, erased them and then guessed the blanks.
We had only just left the carpark, we circled the block, it took 2-3 mins. The lights were on, the boss could be seen thru the glass, and I (HIS MUM) a banker of 15 years was in the car. If I were going to rob or aid and abet anyone, do you think I'd risk getting caught!!! I put my 7 year old son in a guardroom cell for taking a pound of my avon money, do you seriously think that I'd aid and abet my son, if he came out with more than his tips, (there was no money on property, that all gets locked in managers office and safe before back door is opened. So what would I be aiding and abetting...huh? for what?? a bottle of vodka, a packet of dry roasted????? !!!!!!.
Now perhaps you'd like to read my response, and if you have any contstructive advice, then please feel free to come back on, if not, perhaps you could work on this need you have to critiscise and push your opinions onto people, I've just read your comments from other threads, and I got to say, Your a little bit quick to judge and very slow on the advice front. Mr Keyboard Warrior.

Ron2

Nice to know somethings haven't changed in 40 odd years since I was a steward in a club.

The whole committee used to get drunk, and that was before the committee meeting.

Also in court or at a tribunal or elsewhere, about recording conversations without the other persons consent or knowledge.

Can I refer to my notes your honour (or whoever)?

You have notes, where did you get them from?

Oh! I recorded the conversation on my tape recorder. Should I not have done that?

Sudden conversation between solicitor and old boss.

Can we make a deal?

I won that unfair dismissal case.

And nobody even heard the tape.

Just because it might not be strickly admissable in evidence or whatever does not mean you can't record the conversation.

What's the worse that can happen?

SarEl

bendix wrote: »

That's all very well, relic, but at the end of the day i live by a principle that has served me well:

If something looks like s**t, smells like s**t and feels like s**t, it isn't sugar.

And this has that whiff about it . . .

I just can't fathom the thought processes and actions you're suggesting in your scenario, but let me try. He takes his tips and puts them in his pockets. He gets in mum's car and goes home. Halfway there, he forgets he has got his tips and instead of checking his pockets (remember, he's not driving!), he decides to go back to the bar. Seriously, are you telling me that in the return journey he didnt think of checking his pockets, irrespective of having a seatbelt on.

Are you seriously telling me that in the 5-10 minutes of the return journey, he couldn't remember getting his tips? Was his memory a total blank - remember, he's going back solely to get tips - wouldnt that make him think about the issue a bit harder?

Are you seriously telling me that when he got out of the car, he didn't check his pockets?

Where were the keys to the bar? In his pockets, perhaps?

No .. this stinks. There is more to it than a hysterical and slightly defensive mother is either prepared to share, or knows.

I don't get tips, so I wouldn't know. I have got lots of flowers and a few boxes of chocolates (I don't like chocolate!) and it's a bit hard to loose them in a pocket. I once got a load of holiday vouchers from a collective case! But I do loose things that are exactly wher I left them and where I know they are. I have checked my pockets for the house keys, been sure they are there, and locked myself out! It happens. Please bear in mind - the OP's son hadn't even got through the door. He knew the lights were on and the manager still there. That'd be a very inept burglar and his mother - they could have circled the block again and waited until the drunk manager had left or passed out.

I agree, there is no evidence that he wasn't going to steal from the place - but there isn't any that he was either. I'm the first one to point out that evidence isn't required - but we both know that employers do make stuff up. As do employees. But in this case - why? The OP and her son both knew the takings were in the safe. And I reckon mum could afford a bottle of vodka if they wanted one. Goodness, from the sound of it he could have drunk it before he left!

And to be fair - I know a little bit more than anyone else because I have been PM'ing the OP.

But OP, Bendix is sayng what your son is going to have to deal with on Friday. It's a valid point, and we do have people who lie on the site - or tell the truth as they would wish it to be. Advice isn't always what you want to hear - but even if it's wrong and you know it is - you need to hear all points of view. Because there are other views than your own, right or wrong. The best position to be in, no matter how close you are to it, is objective. Stay calm. You can't help your son by being his mum - you may be able to by seeing all sides of it, and spotting the flaws. That is all, in the rnd, for all our learning, what lawyers do - stay objective when everyone else in a case is loosing their head. It is 50% of winning.

jobbingmusician

SarEl wrote: »

I know a little bit more than anyone else because I have been PM'ing the OP.

SarEl, you're a star xxx

SarEl

jobbingmusician wrote: »

SarEl, you're a star xxx

Not according to everyone

jobbingmusician

Join the club!

Booie_2

SarEl wrote: »

I don't get tips, so I wouldn't know. I have got lots of flowers and a few boxes of chocolates (I don't like chocolate!) and it's a bit hard to loose them in a pocket. I once got a load of holiday vouchers from a collective case! But I do loose things that are exactly wher I left them and where I know they are. I have checked my pockets for the house keys, been sure they are there, and locked myself out! It happens. Please bear in mind - the OP's son hadn't even got through the door. He knew the lights were on and the manager still there. That'd be a very inept burglar and his mother - they could have circled the block again and waited until the drunk manager had left or passed out.

I agree, there is no evidence that he wasn't going to steal from the place - but there isn't any that he was either. I'm the first one to point out that evidence isn't required - but we both know that employers do make stuff up. As do employees. But in this case - why? The OP and her son both knew the takings were inan hysterical and slightly defensive mother the safe. And I reckon mum could afford a bottle of vodka if they wanted one. Goodness, from the sound of it he could have drunk it before he left!

And to be fair - I know a little bit more than anyone else because I have been PM'ing the OP.

But OP, Bendix is sayng what your son is going to have to deal with on Friday. It's a valid point, and we do have people who lie on the site - or tell the truth as they would wish it to be. Advice isn't always what you want to hear - but even if it's wrong and you know it is - you need to hear all points of view. Because there are other views than your own, right or wrong. The best position to be in, no matter how close you are to it, is objective. Stay calm. You can't help your son by being his mum - you may be able to by seeing all sides of it, and spotting the flaws. That is all, in the rnd, for all our learning, what lawyers do - stay objective when everyone else in a case is loosing their head. It is 50% of winning.

I appreciate Friday is going to be difficult, but you have totally prepared us for this, I snapped at Bendix as he obviously never read whole thread, and ignored my response, as he was stating stuff that wasn't true, and your right, that will be similar to what my son is going to have to deal with Friday. So lesson learnt, gotta stay :cool:
Once again, Thank-you, You have been wonderful.

bendix

Booie wrote: »

I appreciate Friday is going to be difficult, but you have totally prepared us for this, I snapped at Bendix as he obviously never read whole thread, and ignored my response, as he was stating stuff that wasn't true, and your right, that will be similar to what my son is going to have to deal with Friday. So lesson learnt, gotta stay :cool:
Once again, Thank-you, You have been wonderful.

I didn't ignore your post. I did, in fact, read it.

I just don't think you're independent in this, and your version of the events is only that - your version.

At the end of the day MY (personal) take on this is that I find it very hard to believe that a young man can forget he has taken his tips. It's as simple as that.