Stolen goods from eBay

adouglasmhor

Jakg wrote: »

No, you can't. Even once you've overwritten the data, there are still magnetic traces of what each bit used to be. Even after 35 passes it's still possible to get some data back - sure, not everything, but still quite a lot.

Of course again, this is forensic work and *very* expensive so it's unlikely to do be done in this case.

Is that really true or is it internet lore? Research at Glams and Auckland Unis suggested that one or two layers were readable maybe more but nothing conclusive.

Plus this

Therefore the idea that GCHQ or MI5 has a super secret lab that can recover data from a wiped drive, is the world of fantasy.

http://whereismydata.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/deleting-and-wiping-data/
Probably it was true with the old 10mb clunkers back in the days of Windows NT

hsj2011

Still not heard anything more from Dell or the Police

hsj2011

Wondering if anyone can give me some advice.

I contacted my visa card issuer couple of weeks ago asking about the possibility of doing a chargeback. They sent me a form to fill in, which I did, and at the top of the form, they put that the reason for the chargeback was because the item I purchased was in fact stolen goods. They said that the chargeback could take upto 45 days which is fine.

I then noticed on 21st June that PayPal had opened a dispute saying they'd received a chargeback request from my card issuer and gave the seller 10 days to respond. I just checked the dispute to see if there had been any response from the seller and while I was checking, I noticed that the reason PayPal had given for the dispute was 'Item Not Received'. In addition to this, the Seller has apparently phoned PayPal and given a tracking number (which is actually incorrect and just brings up an error saying the tracking number format is incorrect).

So, I'm just wondering where I stand now. Obviously, I don't want PayPal to reject the chargeback saying the item was received when that's not even the issue. The status of the claim is now 'Being Reviewed By PayPal'

Obviously, I'm also a bit frustrated that the seller had the nerve to phone PayPal to try and defend the chargeback when they know the laptop was stolen.

d.ross_2

hsj2011 wrote: »

Wondering if anyone can give me some advice.

I contacted my visa card issuer couple of weeks ago asking about the possibility of doing a chargeback. They sent me a form to fill in, which I did, and at the top of the form, they put that the reason for the chargeback was because the item I purchased was in fact stolen goods. They said that the chargeback could take upto 45 days which is fine.

I then noticed on 21st June that PayPal had opened a dispute saying they'd received a chargeback request from my card issuer and gave the seller 10 days to respond. I just checked the dispute to see if there had been any response from the seller and while I was checking, I noticed that the reason PayPal had given for the dispute was 'Item Not Received'. In addition to this, the Seller has apparently phoned PayPal and given a tracking number (which is actually incorrect and just brings up an error saying the tracking number format is incorrect).

So, I'm just wondering where I stand now. Obviously, I don't want PayPal to reject the chargeback saying the item was received when that's not even the issue. The status of the claim is now 'Being Reviewed By PayPal'

Obviously, I'm also a bit frustrated that the seller had the nerve to phone PayPal to try and defend the chargeback when they know the laptop was stolen.

Well obviously you need to contact Paypal and put them straight on the reason for the chargeback. Otherwise it will be declined.

hsj2011

Even if the tracking number's not valid?

d.ross_2

hsj2011 wrote: »

Even if the tracking number's not valid?

Yes because you have received it. So if the Paypal chargeback is because you haven't received the item, when you actually have, then they can't find in your favour can they?

hsj2011

I know what you're saying but surely if the tracking number they have is invalid, they don't have proof that I've received it. I've left a message with my card issuer to ask them what reason they gave to paypal. However, from what I've read online today, I do believe that paypal can't actually decline a chargeback, all they can do is produce evidence/documentation to help the card issuer cone to a decision.

hermum

Won't that be something that can land you in hot water? You have received it and the Police & Dell can verify that you have it, so won't that be classed as fraud?

d.ross_2

hsj2011 wrote: »

I know what you're saying but surely if the tracking number they have is invalid, they don't have proof that I've received it. I've left a message with my card issuer to ask them what reason they gave to paypal. However, from what I've read online today, I do believe that paypal can't actually decline a chargeback, all they can do is produce evidence/documentation to help the card issuer cone to a decision.

Look, if you want this sorted, then tell Paypal the reason for the chargeback.

It looks like typical Paypal have taken the details down wrong. So they will be gathering evidence for an item not received. Yet you have already told everyone that you have received it....think about it.

hsj2011

As I said, the chargeback claim that I filed was due to the police taking back the stolen laptop. That is both on the chargeback form I submitted to the card issuer and in all correspondence with the card issuer (including the crime reference number), so I don't really agree that ive done anything that could get menin 'hot water' because I have been 100% truthful.

I'm not saying I won't be contacting paypal to correct them but just wondering if I should wait for my card issuer to get back in touch.