Car bought in Feb, Air Con not working, where do we stand?

liam8282

boyse7en fair enough, but not to even try and test it out until 3 months later seems very odd to me.

Hasn't there been a single warm day since February?!

Flyboy152

liam8282 wrote: »

Surely by accepting the vehicle sold as seen,

This is a misnomer, "sold as seen," for all intents and purposes, does not factor when buying from a dealer.

and then not reporting any fault until 3 months down the line would be sufficient enough to suggest that there wasn't a problem when the vehicle was sold?

It doesn't matter when the fault occurs, or when it is reported, the SOGA assumes (how many times does this have to be said on these boards? :wall:) that if the fault is apparent in the first six months, it is assumed that he fault existed at the point of sale, the onus is then on the seller to prove otherwise.

I think you are missing the fact the OP has also attempted to repair the aircon themselves, as pointed out earlier by s b.

No, the seller regassed the air conditoning, he has not tampered with the components that have failed.

Just for arguments sake where would I stand if I bought say an ipad, 3 months later the sound stopped working, so I got my screwdriver out opened it up, and oh dear the speakers are broken. I then send it back to apple protesting my rights under the SOGA, where would I stand?

Then I would say that you would have difficulty in making a claim against Apple, but you are comparing (if you'll pardon the pun ) apples with pears. The OP has written, "The condensor has a hole in it and the big pipe is badly corroded and has a massive hole," that cannot be caused by re-gassing.

Flyboy152

boyse7en wrote: »

Depends how far down the aircon will take the temperature inside the car. Mine goes down to 12 deg C, so if the temperature outside is already colder than that the car doesn't need to have aircon working to achieve the temperature, it just uses fresh,cold air from outside. You hold your hand in front of the vents and you get cold hands whether the aircon part of the climate control is working or not.


TBH, while Aircon is nice to have, it is hardly a necessity. I think the OP can quite safely transport children in a car with no aircon without fearing a call from social services.

It doesn't matter why the OP wants air conditioning, the fact is the car comes with air conditioning and that is what he paid for, therefore it should be of satisfactory quality.

liam8282

Flyboy152 wrote: »

No, the seller regassed the air conditoning, he has not tampered with the components that have failed.

You know as much as I do as to what the OP has actually done to the car.

They said they regassed it themselves, but how do you know they haven't damaged another part by regassing the system? Could they have over gassed the system causing over parts to be damaged?

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Then I would say that you would have difficulty in making a claim against Apple, but you are comparing (if you'll pardon the pun ) apples with pears. The OP has written, "The condensor has a hole in it and the big pipe is badly corroded and has a massive hole," that cannot be caused by re-gassing.

How do you know that the damaged wasn't caused by the OP regassing the system incorrectly? It is not really a DIY job, as from what I have heard you need to have the gas you are putting into the system and letting out, specifically weighed for that system, not really a job you can do yourself at home with a tin of aircon gas.


I would agree that they could take the car back under SOGA, but only if they took it straight back when the problems first occured.

Now that they have tinkered with the car themselves and possibly damaged it themselves, I think they would have more luck pi$$ing in the wind to be honest! :rotfl:

Flyboy152

liam8282 wrote: »

You know as much as I do as to what the OP has actually done to the car.

They said they regassed it themselves, but how do you know they haven't damaged another part by regassing the system? Could they have over gassed the system causing over parts to be damaged?

Because it cannot be caused by re-gassing.

How do you know that the damaged wasn't caused by the OP regassing the system incorrectly? It is not really a DIY job, as from what I have heard you need to have the gas you are putting into the system and letting out, specifically weighed for that system, not really a job you can do yourself at home with a tin of aircon gas.

Because it cannot be caused by re-gassing.

I would agree that they could take the car back under SOGA, but only if they took it straight back when the problems first occurred.

Where does it say that in the SOGA?

Now that they have tinkered with the car themselves and possibly damaged it themselves, I think they would have more luck pi$$ing in the wind to be honest! :rotfl:

But, at the risk of repeating myself, the affected components have not been tampered with.

s_b

But, at the risk of repeating myself, the affected components have not been tampered with.

so you are an air conditioning expert too Flyboy 152

very interesting

Wig

Flyboy152 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what it was advertised with, the very fact that the system is there, is sufficient to expect it to work.

Rejection can happened six months after the purchase. If there was an inherent fault in the car that kept occurring after the point of sale, it is reasonable to assume that the purchaser can reject the goods.

Not at all, it is v likely a used car of a ripe old age with a high mileage. It would reasonably be expected to have a items on it which don't work or which could fail at any time. It would still be of satisfactory quality. Rejection would fail as would a demand for repair.

Paradigm

Wig wrote: »

As an aside, OP said the climate control worked during test drive, -I dunno- but doesn't this mean that the air con was working? my understanding of climate control is that it cools/heats the car to your desired preset temperature, nothing about "February" would stop you from testing this function fully AFAIK.

On my car the air con is disabled at 5 degrees & lower. The climate control uses the low ambient air temp instead, I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true of many other makes although the cut off temp might be different.

Low temperatures in Feb would therefore mean the air con couldn't be tested.

liam8282

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Because it cannot be caused by re-gassing.

An aircon system can easily be damaged by an unqualified person attempting to regas it, regassing it incorrectly and damaging it whilst attempting to regas.

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Because it cannot be caused by re-gassing.

Yes it COULD. Just because you keep repeating yourself will not make you right.

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Where does it say that in the SOGA?

So does it say in the SOGA you should attempt to fix the problem yourself, and then if you mess it up or cause further damage, take it back to where you bought it from and blame them?

As I have already said, nobody knows what the OP has actually done to the car when they have had a DIY attempt at fixing their car, I am looking at this from the garages POV, you are obviously taking it from the OPs and taking everything they say as gospel.

I also don't thing it would be hard for the garage to fight their corner with the evidence that the OP has attempted to fix the system.

Flyboy152 wrote: »

But, at the risk of repeating myself, the affected components have not been tampered with.

Yes they have, they have already told you they have regassed it themselves! That is tampering whatever way you look at it. Disconnecting pipes, pressurising the system with gas, could cause many problems if done incorrectly. Pulling or yanking at a pipe could easily cause a hole in a perfectly good pipe, none of this would be the fault of the garage.

This is all what you THINK, the OP has only told us that they regassed it themselves, you nor I ACTUALLY know what they have done.

pompeyfaith

A lot of people don't realise that brakes are only checked on efficiency and balance, id they pass they pass. But they could pass with only 2mm of pad material and discs on their last legs.

Whilst that maybe true there should be an advisory on the mot documents warning you to the fact the pads are low, however this should have been checked before you took ownership of the vehicle.