P11D form??

greggp_2

HELP!

Am a little confused.

Received in post today a letter from HM Customers & revenue requesting P11D forms for the tax years ending April 2009 & 2010. so they can check I have paid the correct amount of tax!! I have never been asked to complete any P11D forms for the years mentioned! Furthermore I am not self employed, do not have a company car and do not receive any payments, benefits, expenses or allowances from my employer which would require me to complete such a form so little confused as to why they would request this information from me?

Any advice appreciated please

ceeforcat

Completion of P11D forms are the duties of your employer. If no P11D forms are required for any employees, a declaration is made on the P35 (return of employees details) to that effect. An employee never completes a P11D. Ring HMRC and request that they contact your employer - weird!!!

taxing

Hi
Are they actually asking you to 'complete' P11Ds (highly unlikely) or to send to them copies of the ones you should have received from your employer for your information, and by 6 July after each year end - assuming 'something' was reportable/reported.

I suspect it is the latter?

How have they asked? Is the letter a compliance check?

Regards

greggp_2

The letter was received from the HM Customer operations (Pay as you earn self assesment) office in Bootle Merseyside and letter content is as follows:

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Dear Mr P*****

To allow me to check that you have paid the correct amount of tax and bring your records up to date, please send me your P11Ds for the tax years ending 5th April 2009 & 2010. These forms show your job expenses and allowances for the years concerned and should have been given to you by your employer.

Please attach youir original P11Ds to this letter and return them to me using the addess at the top of this letter. I will return and forms to you as soon as I have completed my checks.

Yours sincerely



Imcompetent Tax Assistant Officer

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chrismac1

Pathetic. These - if required - will have been submitted by the employer. These people find new ways to waste their own time every week. Meanwhile there are lots of parts of the system which are badly broken and which don't seem to me to be in any danger of being fixed anytime soon.

antrobus

greggp wrote: »

The letter was received from the HM Customer operations (Pay as you earn self assesment) office in Bootle Merseyside and letter content is as follows:

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Dear Mr P*****

To allow me to check that you have paid the correct amount of tax and bring your records up to date, please send me your P11Ds for the tax years ending 5th April 2009 & 2010. These forms show your job expenses and allowances for the years concerned and should have been given to you by your employer.

Please attach youir original P11Ds to this letter and return them to me using the addess at the top of this letter. I will return and forms to you as soon as I have completed my checks.

Yours sincerely



Imcompetent Tax Assistant Officer

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Un****believable.

All you can do is write back and tell them that you can't comply with the request because you didn't receive any P11Ds for the simple reason that you received no taxable benefits from your employer.

taxing

chrismac1 wrote: »

Pathetic. These - if required - will have been submitted by the employer. These people find new ways to waste their own time every week. Meanwhile there are lots of parts of the system which are badly broken and which don't seem to me to be in any danger of being fixed anytime soon.

Hmm, I think this is maybe a bit strong.

The employer is required to give a copy of the P11D too to the employee. The employee is obligated to tell HMRC of any new/untaxed sources of income. The employer should have made it clear to employee that the obligation to pay the tax on the assessable benefits lies with the employee

It seems the system has gone wrong somewhere.

Did you maybe have taxable benefits (car, health insurance, or company van are common types) in your job before this one that the request relates too - as HMRC maybe still had something in your tax code for benefits, expecting these to be continuing (it's quite usual for them to do that) but none have 'materialised' from employer returns or from information (or lack of) from you regarding 2008/09 or 2009/10 tax years.

Now they want to check if did get any benefits.

Easiest thing to do (said hesitantly as it can take an age on the phones) but, yes, phone the person who signed you letter and have a chat about it.

That way you will get to the heart of the problem instead of us on here having to speculate what might be behind it all.

(If they have had something in your codings, expecting you to have taxabale benefits, then, and assuming there were none after all, you could have (actuallY) overpaid tax - wouldn't that be nice! ).

Good luck.

chrismac1

Was it a bit strong? Are you sure?

A fewweeks ago I was chasing up a tax repayment for a client which HMRC should have made 1 year ago. They insisted that we send written evidence of payments my client had made to HMRC directly from his card to the HMRC website in Feb 2010.

Yet another example of HMRC insisting on the taxpayer providing something they either couldn't be bothered to keep themselves, or were so shoddy they've lost their record of it. And the written method in this case is the 12 week mail queue where our letter to the office in the Midlands is sent via Cardiff tax office.

I think you've got to challenge this sort of rubbish every time you encounter it, so we've lodged a formal complaint. Not just regarding the jobsworth "producer" request, this was just the latest in a series of blunders - including deleting 2 tax returns from the system, where were the jobsworth procedures that day I wonder? - in this case.

greggp_2

thanks for all the posts. I agree with the last poster.
I did some time ago now though....have a company car and expenses claim through a previous job but I left this company in November 2007.

I did try to call them a couple of times yesterday but was on hold for a while and gave up trying in the end.

I think I will reply in the 1st instance with a letter and then maybe follow up with a phone call at the weekend.

Thanks

Pennywise

greggp wrote: »

I think I will reply in the 1st instance with a letter and then maybe follow up with a phone call at the weekend.

Pointless writing a letter. Most tax offices have a postal backlog of 6-12 weeks. You'd get no-where phoning them for at least a month, preferably two, by which time you would have a chance of your letter having reached the right person. Best to phone first and see what the score is. Then if you can't sort it out over the phone, you can write in, but expect to wait a couple of months before a reply.

ceeforcat

Cannot agree taxing - sounds like HMRC want op to do their job for them.