P11D form??

greggp_2

just phoned tax office and managed to speak to an advisor.
they informed me they still had fuel benefit on my tax code which is the one from my previous employment.

The lady on the phone hinted that I will have been paying too much tax since I left this employer in November 2011. She told me resond to their letter and to send in copies of my P60s for the years ending 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 so they can check payment of tax.

she also adjusted my tax code for this year to 747L

Hopefully a rebate will be the outcome

thanks for all you posts and help on this one guys

:beer::beer::beer:

Tarasam

This kind of thread boils me, really boils me....

HMRC are asking for info, the OP has been sent a letter which he has duly copied onto here inputting the HMRC staff members name as INCOMPETENT, but he himself does not understand tax codes nor has he ever realised they were wrong. Had HMRC not sent this letter out originally the OP may never have recieved this potential repayment, HMRC were clearly expecting P11ds in regards to him from his previous employer. The employer should have advised that no P11ds were due but they clearly did not, HOW IS THIS HMRCS FAULT? Yes i'm a staff member.

Chrismac comes on and berates / belittles as usual.

OP tries to call but does not get through, not sure how as yesterday there was availability and the call waiting times were very very short (very strange it was too - havent seen that in ages) maybe he was just unlucky and hit a peak at some point. He is put off writing in by others berating HMRC too.

OP calls today, gets through and is advised fully. Fab, hope its sorted quickly for you.

Was the adviser today helpful, are they really all incompetent? In all employers / companies there are a few that are rubbish and do anything they can not to help, but not the majority. HMRC is a struggle to work in, theres too much focus on stats and too much red tape, but the staff members are there to do a good job of work, get paid and go home to their families, just like everyone else in the UK / World.

Please can we remember this, a lot of the people that help / advise on here are HMRC staff helping from their homes, theres no incentive to help they just want to impart their knowledge, this helping on forums can lead to conduct and disciplinary leading to their sacking from their job if caught. Thats quite a risk!

SuzieSue

Tarasam wrote: »

This kind of thread boils me, really boils me....

Had HMRC not sent this letter out originally the OP may never have recieved this potential repayment, HMRC were clearly expecting P11ds in regards to him from his previous employer. The employer should have advised that no P11ds were due but they clearly did not, HOW IS THIS HMRCS FAULT? Yes i'm a staff member.

Well if you are a staff member then I am extremely worried. You say that the employer should have advised that no P11Ds were due, if so, please tell me where and how they should advise.

Yes, there is a box on the P35 where you can state that there are no P11Ds due, but this doesn't specify whether they are due for specific employees. The OP might not be due a P11D but other staff in the company might.

Are you saying that all employers should send the tax office a list of which employees are due P11Ds and which aren't?

So, yes the whole mix up is the HMRC's fault because the P11D system is so archaic and so hit and miss. The system doesn't work in an age when people change jobs every couple of years.

System

greggp wrote: »

thanks for all the posts. I agree with the last poster.
I did some time ago now though....have a company car and expenses claim through a previous job but I left this company in November 2007.

I did try to call them a couple of times yesterday but was on hold for a while and gave up trying in the end.

I think I will reply in the 1st instance with a letter and then maybe follow up with a phone call at the weekend.

Thanks

The annoyance factor in the way this thread has gone is due to the OP misleading everyone else by putting this statement in one of their early posts.

The phonecall to HMRC this morning has obviously reminded the OP that they did in fact have a benefit (fuel) with a more recent employer than the one they left in 2007.

Dare I say that in this instance thanks should go to the new HMRC computer system which has picked up on the fact that an expected 09/10 P11d is missing and that the OP may have been paying more tax than they should. This prompted the issue of the letter to the OP to see if they have a copy and if they know yet the revised figure for 10/11 since they left the employer last November.

ceeforcat

None of this expalins why HMRC are asking an emplyoyee for his P11d forms when it is the employer that should be approached. I have never heard of this before.

In addition the op also now has to provide his forms P60 for a number of years - no P14's received at HMRC? Are earnings and tax details no longer held for previous years?

suso

ceeforcat wrote: »

None of this expalins why HMRC are asking an emplyoyee for his P11d forms when it is the employer that should be approached. I have never heard of this before.

this is quite common, its only recently that P91's have stopped going out asking for employment history's, HMRC have always asked for information

ceeforcat wrote: »

In addition the op also now has to provide his forms P60 for a number of years - no P14's received at HMRC? Are earnings and tax details no longer held for previous years?

This I agree is puzzling, Presumably HMRC have their copies of the P14, otherwise the original letter would have asked for the employee copy of the P60, so why they are being asked to send in the information again ?

The original poster has confirmed they have no BIK so HMRC should take
information at face value and calculate the years that are still marked as open.

Pennywise

At the end of the day, HMRC sent the OP a ridiculous letter and that's just down to the fault of the writer of it. If the original letter had been clearer, it wouldn't have caused so much confusion and worry for the OP.

Why on earth couldn't they have put more actual info and specific request in the letter, i.e. "we note that you used to have BIKS, but we've not received P11ds since xx/xx/xxxx. Can you write or phone to confirm that you no longer have BIKS and confirm the date they stopped." Then OP would have known exactly what HMRC were asking and could have responded far quicker and without confusion and worry.

Even better, why did HMRC have to write at all. Presumably they received P14s from each employment and P11ds when relevant. Why can't they take that info at face value and issue correcting PAYE codes and trigger repayment for past years? Are they really going to write to ask every employee who used to have a P11d but don't anymore to send them their P11ds?

SuzieSue

Pennywise wrote: »

Are they really going to write to ask every employee who used to have a P11d but don't anymore to send them their P11ds?

From my experience, HMRC just assume that you will be receiving the same BIK year after year, as they have done with the OP. When they receive a P11D then they adjust the employee's tax code accordingly. If, as in the OP's case, they stop receiving P11Ds, then there is no trigger for them to adjust the code so the employee just carries on paying tax on their now non-existent benefits, as has happened to the OP.

All I can assume is that the new computer system must now flag up cases such as the OP's where a P11D used to be submitted, but no longer is and this is why they are writing to people like the OP to confirm that they don't actually receive any benefits in kind as it is quite possible that the P11D has been omitted or lost in error.

So in answer to your question, I think they probably will be writing to all such employees.

System

Pennywise wrote: »

At the end of the day, HMRC sent the OP a ridiculous letter and that's just down to the fault of the writer of it. If the original letter had been clearer, it wouldn't have caused so much confusion and worry for the OP.

Why on earth couldn't they have put more actual info and specific request in the letter, i.e. "we note that you used to have BIKS, but we've not received P11ds since xx/xx/xxxx. Can you write or phone to confirm that you no longer have BIKS and confirm the date they stopped." Then OP would have known exactly what HMRC were asking and could have responded far quicker and without confusion and worry.

Excellent point, however HMRC employees no longer have the discretion to issue sensible letters such as you suggest. The guidance they have to follow rigidly compels them to issue template letters and those templates cannot be edited at all. Whoever designs these templates and writes the guidance thinks one size fits all.:(

greggp_2

suso wrote: »

this is quite common, its only recently that P91's have stopped going out asking for employment history's, HMRC have always asked for information




This I agree is puzzling, Presumably HMRC have their copies of the P14, otherwise the original letter would have asked for the employee copy of the P60, so why they are being asked to send in the information again ?

The original poster has confirmed they have no BIK so HMRC should take
information at face value and calculate the years that are still marked as open.

Just finished writing letter and was just about to post off to tax office when I thought about National insurance contributions also. As my tax code has been incorrect as of 13th November 2007 and I have been paying for benefits in kind (fuel benefit) Will I then have overpaid on the National insurance also? Am I correct in thinking N.I contributions are a percentage of the taxable amount (i.e. your gross salary less personal allowance for the year) - if so do I need to mention this on the letter also or will they calculate this automatically? I am sending in all my P60s for the years in question which show my N.I contribtions for the years!