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  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    shortchanged wrote: »

    Crux of this being......more wealthy students buying their places at university = Less student places available on merit.

    I listended quite carefully on Radio 4 this morning, and I think you've completely missed the point!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    chewmylegoff wrote: »

    there is no need for this and if there is any shortage of university places (a non-sequitur given the number of unemployed graduates) it will be well and truly cured by tutition fees of £9k a year, which i should imagine will lead to a significant drop in student numbers.

    Not at all. Places are still subsidised and limits set.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    Procrastinator333 wrote: »
    As I type this I'm becoming more and more opposed to it. It is just wrong.

    Perhaps it pays to read the details before becoming so opposed?
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • shortchanged_2
    shortchanged_2 Posts: 5,546 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    I listended quite carefully on Radio 4 this morning, and I think you've completely missed the point!

    Thing is you can't have an increase of both; people paying to get in and those getting in on merit because it wouldn't add up. There would be too many students being subscribed.

    Basically I am saying something would have to give unless you admit double the number of students and don't think that is going to happen.
    Why are we here?......................because we are not all there.
  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
    I've been Money Tipped!
    shortchanged wrote: »
    Thing is you can't have an increase of both; people paying to get in and those getting in on merit because it wouldn't add up. There would be too many students being subscribed.

    Basically I am saying something would have to give unless you admit double the number of students and don't think that is going to happen.


    They are planning to allow competition between feepaying students ...those places exclusively (I think) available to foreign students ATM. Th same number of overall payments the same number of ''poor'' backgrounds, possibly fewer foreign students, the same amount of income for the universities.
  • Procrastinator333
    Procrastinator333 Posts: 1,694 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    Perhaps it pays to read the details before becoming so opposed?

    Perhaps, but then I don't think it is that unreasonable to make a comment having skimmed a news article and read some posts on a forum. As long as I can accept if I get the wonrg end of the stick. Which it sounds like I have.

    However I'm now confused, having read a dozen more posts and the bbc article on it, I'm actually less clear on what exactly they are proposing. Too lazy to read any more tonight though.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    FTBFun wrote: »
    Yeah who cares about social mobility eh?

    Surely helping poor intelligent teenagers go to university is better than paying another generation to sit on the dole until they die?

    Of course it is. But I think it needs to start earlier than at the age of 18.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    ninky wrote: »
    then i'm struggling to see what they are suggesting. either everyone has to meet the same criteria of achievement to be accepted or they don't. if someone meets the same criteria of achievement as another applicant why would they volunteer to pay more?

    Because, say, UCL (where I went) wants everyone who is offered a place on certain courses to get all As at A level.

    More people apply for those courses and get all As than there are places available.

    so there are people who meet the criteria and don't get accepted.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    In the old days didn't the rich families used to send their thickies to be officers in the armed forces?

    The cream of society - rich, thick and rises to the top?
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Half the school leavers in this country this year aren't going to achieve a grade C in Maths. A poor reflection on an educational system that in world terms is going backwards.

    I am not convinced that the average is the only relevant measurement of an education system.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
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