Tories showing their true colours again.

toby3000

I assumed that the way they would cover it is that the students would have the grades but wouldn't have got a place normally. I'm kind of in 2 minds about this part of it, because I've never been overly comfortable with the whole personal statement/interview side of things. However, it's the rich kids that will tend to have more to put in and more help from the school/mummy and daddy to do this, so I don't see how it'll help.

Either way, they could say they had the grades to get in, but in reality they wouldn't have got in under the normal admissions system. I don't think they'd be blatant enough to allow you to pay to get in AFTER they'd rejected you.

neverdespairgirl

cashbackproblems wrote: »

This is what the Tories are all about!

Where Labour (and even Lib Dems) genuinely care for people and improving the welfare of the less fortunate e.g. minimum wages, grants, investment in the NHS etc, the Tories have introduced top up fees,

I thought it was Labour who introduced tuition fees in the first place, though?

Generali

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I thought it was Labour who introduced tuition fees in the first place, though?

Labour also got rid of probably the single biggest contributor to social mobility, the grammar school.

My parents both were brought up in conditions of absolute poverty (family couldn't afford rent, heat, light and food some weeks) yet my Mum now must have total assets including house and pension of almost £1,000,000! They both put it down to a decent grammar school education.

The Rich will always find a way to game the system as they have the resources (and often simply the nouse) to do it. There is no way to stop it and it's crazy to make others fail to try to create equality.

michaelvintner

Atom wrote: »

Why did people vote these tories in ? bunch of smug useless gits.

Because the alternative was that useless Twa! Gordon Brown. If the Labour party had consigned him to the dustbin of history a year before the election they would have been in with a chance of winning.

Great Chancellor useless Prime Minister and he had to go.

chewmylegoff

Labour also introduced top up fees (after promising not to) on top of the original fees they introduced (after promising not to). No political party cares about you, they care about your vote only.

Mr_Mumble

Universities Minister David Willetts said extra places could be funded by businesses or charities and not wealthy individuals.

So the rich, who probably run or provide substantial funds to business and charity, can game the system anyway!

This is all very, very poor and ludicrous policy. Individuals aren't allowed to do things but organisations vetted by the powers that be are? Now that is elitism!

chewmylegoff

Plenty of businesses already do this anyway, quite why the govt feels the need to facilitate something which already goes on perfectly efficiently is beyond me.

IronWolf

The rich will always get more than the poor and have more opportunities. Wish people would just get over this fact, we're never converting to communism. Right now the poor have a chance to everything a rich person can, they just have to work harder for it.

shortchanged_2

Generali wrote: »

Labour also got rid of probably the single biggest contributor to social mobility, the grammar school.

While you are probably right Generali, the system that is in place now for schools is truly awful.

The fact that there is still some grammar schools is totally wrong. They either need to bring the system back altogether or scrap it altogether.

It has now created an almost private schooling within the public sector system as the majority of the children going to grammar schools today are from affluent backgrounds (which OK has probably always been the case). The system breeds corruption and encourages dishonesty.

ILW

shortchanged wrote: »

While you are probably right Generali, the system that is in place now for schools is truly awful.

The fact that there is still some grammar schools is totally wrong. They either need to bring the system back altogether or scrap it altogether.

It has now created an almost private schooling within the public sector system as the majority of the children going to grammar schools today are from affluent backgrounds (which OK has probably always been the case). The system breeds corruption and encourages dishonesty.

I went to a grammar school, and it was by no means full of rich kids. Entry was by test which was open to anybody.