Using CCTV evidence against Atos....

chinna

Cpt.Scarlet wrote: »

So you have proved her conclusion was incorrect, you still haven't scored any points for your dad.

There is stuff in the report that is incorrect and I will challenge these. But at the moment if the nurse has lied about the duration etc. My main aim is to prove that the report should not be used.

Cpt.Scarlet

chinna wrote: »

There is stuff in the report that is incorrect and I will challenge these. But at the moment if the nurse has lied about the duration etc. My main aim is to prove that the report should not be used.

You are missing the point. Your father will only receive ESA if the tribunal award him 15 or more points, the best outcome you will get by proving that the report is invalid is a new medical, with the liklihood being that he will still be found fit for work after it. You'll have waited 12+ months to be back a square one.

I'm not saying you shouldn't invalidate the report, just that it won't get him any benefits.

chinna

Cpt.Scarlet wrote: »

You are missing the point. Your father will only receive ESA if the tribunal award him 15 or more points, the best outcome you will get by proving that the report is invalid is a new medical, with the liklihood being that he will still be found fit for work after it. You'll have waited 12+ months to be back a square one.

I'm not saying you shouldn't invalidate the report, just that it won't get him any benefits.

Their employee has processed a medical document that contains harmful information. For me thats serious.

Cpt.Scarlet

chinna wrote: »

Their employee has processed a medical document that contains harmful information. For me thats serious.

I guess punishing the nurse is more important to you than getting your father some benefits, each to their own.

chinna

Cpt.Scarlet wrote: »

I guess punishing the nurse is more important to you than getting your father some benefits, each to their own.

Punishing??? She has punished my dad.

fluffymovie

Oh good lord, I really try to bite my tongue on this board sometimes but I have literally just turned my laptop on to reply to this. I would warn you all that this is not a nice post but I do not believe it contravenes any rules on MSE. feel free to add me to your ignore list before or after reading however!!

Firstly I will start off by saying I am not great fan of ESA in any of it's forms and as someone who works in HB /CTB, I make it my job to ensure that I advise claimants the maximum way to get their benefits in the right way.

However, the emotive language you have used Chinna has really done it for me today.

Do people not make mistakes Chinna? Have you never made a mistake? Regardless of what field it is in, people are only human. What allowance are you making for that? None it would seem.

The accused have a right of reply. You are making some very serious allegations that this 1 person who works within a system which is far from perfect even when it works well, has willfully lied. What advantage do you think they will gain from this? Money??? No. Fun???? No.

You almost appear excited about the prospect of blackening someone's career. This person may have made a mistake or not, they may have lied but you seem to be taking joy in this, in my view.

You have said that this person has caused your dad harm? Has his condition worsened since you read the report? If not, then physically nothing has changed. Financially, he has been found fit for work and can sign on for other benefits. If he is very unwell, I would expect him to be getting DLA so he isn't without any funds.

Also, you are so hell bent on showing how clever you have been to get the CCTV that you have not made a complaint to the right people but have vented on a board on which we all remain anonymous. Doesn't sound like it'll help your Dad's case much.

As I said, I am sure this wasn't nice to read and I am sorry for that but tbh, I just had to get it out. It isn't personal Chinna but I had to say it. Sorry

cit_k

fluffymovie wrote: »

Do people not make mistakes Chinna?

Yes, but if a professional makes a mistake they are held accountable by their regulatory body, and at the very least should admit the mistake and apologise and take whatever punishment or retraining is thrown at them.

Have you never made a mistake? Regardless of what field it is in, people are only human.

And you get humans capable of ethical, professional behaviour, and then you get what seems to be every single ATOS assessor I have ever met, and all the atos assessors I have not met to.

What allowance are you making for that? None it would seem.

From what is describded it does not sound like a one of simple mistake, it sounds like the time has been extended (falsely) in order to make the rest of the made up evidence (timescales for doing things were mentioned I believe) seem credible or even possible.

Its possible the nurse just does not have a clue what she is doing, as LIMA automatically records the start and end times of the exam, and the training guidance points out that these timings are CRITICAL quote

Timings in the LiMA application are critical and an understanding of this is
essential

(esa handbook)

so there is no excuse for getting a CRITICAL part of the process that is explained as such in the training wrong.

The accused have a right of reply.

And good luck trying to get an honest reply from them.
They will be given the opportunity when / if the poster makes a complaint to the NMWC or ATOS.

You are making some very serious allegations that this 1 person who works within a system which is far from perfect even when it works well, has willfully lied.

No more than the same type of accusations many many people make, and prove at tribunals.

What advantage do you think they will gain from this? Money??? No.

Yes money, as they have a very easy, very cushy job, that wont exist if they did it honestly and the DWP did not meet their targets as the DWP would end the contract with ATOS.

Fun???? No

.

Why not, it takes a certain type of sick sadistic individual to want to take part in the assessment process surely? Probably enjoy benefit bashing in their spare time, and certainly unethical.

You almost appear excited about the prospect of blackening someone's career. This person may have made a mistake or not, they may have lied but you seem to be taking joy in this, in my view.

Maybe they are, maybe they just want justice, a chance at a correct decision, and to stop it happening again to others at the hand of that same nurse.

Also, you are so hell bent on showing how clever you have been to get the CCTV that you have not made a complaint to the right people but have vented on a board on which we all remain anonymous. Doesn't sound like it'll help your Dad's case much.

I thought the point of the thread was to find out what to do next? how to proceed, what to do with the evidence?

I suggest, complaint to DWP.
Complaint to ATOS.
Complaint to NMWC.
And maybe even see if the media is interested (perhaps try domoskos as he seems to be running a lot of benefit stories and has been asking for evidence about benefit problems before on this very forum...).

Or they could ignore it, and let the nurse, and ATOS continue to do this to more and more people unchecked.

fluffymovie

cit_k wrote: »

fluffymovie wrote: »

Yes money, as they have a very easy, very cushy job, that wont exist if they did it honestly and the DWP did not meet their targets as the DWP would end the contract with ATOS.


I thought the point of the thread was to find out what to do next? how to proceed, what to do with the evidence?

I suggest, complaint to DWP.
Complaint to ATOS.
Complaint to NMWC.
And maybe even see if the media is interested (perhaps try domoskos as he seems to be running a lot of benefit stories and has been asking for evidence about benefit problems before on this very forum...).

Or they could ignore it, and let the nurse, and ATOS continue to do this to more and more people unchecked.

The OP has been advised on a number of courses of action but still wants to metaphorically kick the nurse in my view.

Also, who would step in for ATOS? I know that ATOS are rubbish, I work in the benefit system but I also don't know of any other company out there who will do the work the DWP want done, for the money that they will pay.

cit_k

fluffymovie wrote: »

cit_k wrote: »

The OP has been advised on a number of courses of action but still wants to metaphorically kick the nurse in my view.

Also, who would step in for ATOS? I know that ATOS are rubbish, I work in the benefit system but I also don't know of any other company out there who will do the work the DWP want done, for the money that they will pay.

I would imagine there would be a queue a mile long to take over the work, as its a) easy and b) massively well paid.

They get well over 100 million a year for it remember.

Nothing wrong with metaphorically kicking the nurse, she deserves it if she has lied on a medical report multiple times.
She deserves losing her career to be honest, as a nurse capable of that should not be in that line of work.

edit to add: and if it did hit the national media - even better as the authorities are quick to plaster dodgy claimaint behaviour all over the tabloids, whats good for the goose and all that...

sunnyone

fluffymovie wrote: »

Oh good lord, I really try to bite my tongue on this board sometimes but I have literally just turned my laptop on to reply to this. I would warn you all that this is not a nice post but I do not believe it contravenes any rules on MSE. feel free to add me to your ignore list before or after reading however!!

Firstly I will start off by saying I am not great fan of ESA in any of it's forms and as someone who works in HB /CTB, I make it my job to ensure that I advise claimants the maximum way to get their benefits in the right way.

However, the emotive language you have used Chinna has really done it for me today.

Do people not make mistakes Chinna? Have you never made a mistake? Regardless of what field it is in, people are only human. What allowance are you making for that? None it would seem.

The accused have a right of reply. You are making some very serious allegations that this 1 person who works within a system which is far from perfect even when it works well, has willfully lied. What advantage do you think they will gain from this? Money??? No. Fun???? No.

You almost appear excited about the prospect of blackening someone's career. This person may have made a mistake or not, they may have lied but you seem to be taking joy in this, in my view.

You have said that this person has caused your dad harm? Has his condition worsened since you read the report? If not, then physically nothing has changed. Financially, he has been found fit for work and can sign on for other benefits. If he is very unwell, I would expect him to be getting DLA so he isn't without any funds.

Also, you are so hell bent on showing how clever you have been to get the CCTV that you have not made a complaint to the right people but have vented on a board on which we all remain anonymous. Doesn't sound like it'll help your Dad's case much.

As I said, I am sure this wasn't nice to read and I am sorry for that but tbh, I just had to get it out. It isn't personal Chinna but I had to say it. Sorry

Excellent post fluffy, it couldnt have harmed her father reading the report because he cant understand English.

As someone who has totally discredited an ATOS report on my husband she's going about it in totally the wrong way, revenge wont get ESA awarded and with the right proof it dosnt even have to go to tribunal.