Public sector earn 50% more than private sector

ILW

chucky wrote: »

i really can't believe that people post and actually believe this rollox. what's the entry level for ambition and achievement in the private sector - what's the exam like?

how about if we get hostels for public sector workers while we're there...

Somebody whose ambition is to run a multinational corporation, is not going to be applying for a job at the council.

ninky_2

ILW wrote: »

Or possibly that by it's nature, the public sector does tend to attract relatively unambtious low achievers. The culture is totally different and much less competitive.

would you count david cameron in that bracket? after all mps are public sector employees.

ninky_2

ILW wrote: »

Somebody whose ambition is to run a multinational corporation, is not going to be applying for a job at the council.

oh !!!!!!. there are quite a few ranks other than ceo of a multinational in the private sector. plus some very powerful and influential jobs in the public sector.

ILW

ninky wrote: »

would you count david cameron in that bracket? after all mps are public sector employees.

I think he also has his own business.

I believe one of the main reasons for lack of ambition in the public sector is that the majority of pay deals are achieved through collective negotiotions, whereas a much higher percentage of pay packages in the private sector are through individual negotiation.

chucky

ILW wrote: »

Somebody whose ambition is to run a multinational corporation, is not going to be applying for a job at the council.

so the private sector only employs people that have the "ambition is to run a multinational corporation".

yes ok then.

chewmylegoff

Radiantsoul wrote: »

I would have thought that teaching in a state versus a primary school is a broadly comparable job and so I wonder why teachers aren't moving from the private sector to the state sector. At secondary school I can see better discipline might make private schools a more appealing teaching experience. But if you can't cope with four year olds then you are probably in the wrong career regardless of how naughty they are.

because it isn't true, and private schools pay more?

ILW

chucky wrote: »

so the private sector only employs people that have the "ambition is to run a multinational corporation".

yes ok then.

I did not say that, but you will not find that type of person tending to work in the public sector.

chewmylegoff

Pennywise wrote: »

Trouble is that in the private sector there are highly paid jobs and low paid jobs - it depends on your experience, qualifications, location and pure luck which you get. Time after time, public sector people compare themselves to the "best" of the private sector rather than the typical private sector worker.

Take my profession, accountancy. There have been posters on these fora who work for HMRC in a fairly lowly capacity comparing their £20k p.a. to jobs in firms of accountants advertised at say £50k. That's pure fairytale stuff - they fail to compare themselves with the typical/average job in a local accountancy practice that's £15k-£20k for an unqualified accountant with little relevant experience. Even myself, as a fully qualified accountant with 30 years experience would be lucky to get £30k p.a. in my local area in a job that I'd be likely to secure. I'd have to move to the City and hope to be lucky enough to beat loads of others with comparable quals/exp to get £50k or more. I've never even paid higher rate tax so that tells you exactly what an average accountant gets for working in an average practice outside the main Cities!

The fact is that the above-average private sector jobs are highly sought after and the average worker (public or private) is highly unlikely to even get an interview let alone be offered the job. Just because there are "some" private sector workers who get good, high paid jobs doesn't mean all do, in fact, not even most do - in fact, most will be just plodding on on average wages, similar if not lower than public sector workers.

plus, with jobs like accountancy and law, anyone in private practice has to put up with horrible timesheet pressure, MUST CHARGE 8 HOURS A DAY TO CLIENT OR DIE. MUST DO CLIENT MARKETING AFTER HOURS TWICE A WEEK OR DIE. you just don't get this in the public sector, and it is difficult to put a price on it. chuck an unqualified HMRC bod into that environment and see how they cope. the union isn't going to save you from doing work now, i'm afraid.

to me, not having to put up with that environment was worth taking a pay cut of approximately 30%.

ninky_2

ILW wrote: »

I think he also has his own business.

I believe one of the main reasons for lack of ambition in the public sector is that the majority of pay deals are achieved through collective negotiotions, whereas a much higher percentage of pay packages in the private sector are through individual negotiation.

quite a few public sector workers have also worked in the private sector or have private sector interests / roles. anyhow to suggest that people only go into the public sector because they lack ambition is a bit daft.

chucky

ILW wrote: »

I did not say that, but you will not find that type of person tending to work in the public sector.

well this what you said...

ILW wrote: »

Or possibly that by it's nature, the public sector does tend to attract relatively unambtious low achievers

ILW wrote: »

Somebody whose ambition is to run a multinational corporation, is not going to be applying for a job at the council.

it looks like the public sector only employs "unambtious low achievers" but the private sector employs "Somebody whose ambition is to run a multinational corporation".

both public and private sector employ dross - not everyone in the private sector is ambitious and not everyone has career objectives. it's exactly the same in the public sector. saying that one employs a better class of person than the other is a bit silly.