Public sector earn 50% more than private sector

sharnad

The_White_Horse wrote: »

is this a joke - public sector workers get a promotion every year, come what may. it's their right innit. it's in their contract.

Any other lies you want to tell

gauly

tommy8721 wrote: »

i would be interested in seeing how the measured like with like. if it was the case that P sec workers are 50% better off p.a than their private sec workers then there would be a mass migration of employment to the public sector. Private has always paid more, in relative terms, because there is a risk associated with private vs public sector as their jobs are generally less secure. I would posit a guess that they may have been comparing higher level public to a mid level private workers and applied a little sensationalism to the article to spice it up..... and it worked

According to the Daily Mail article on the same subject:

"even when factors such as the differences in age, experience and qualifications are considered, the hourly pay premium for a public sector worker was 8.8 per cent"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384963/Public-sector-pay-gap-widening-Staff-43-better-private-workers.html#ixzz1MX0IDhK7

...which doesn't sound anywhere near as exciting. I should think the couple of years pay freeze coming up in the public sector will get rid of any difference in pay.

geordie28

most of this is utter poo. most of the thread is fixated on middle to higher wage earners and really doesnt take into consideration the average earner which i believe is around £18k. btw dont take this as me whinging because i do believe you get back what you put in. the following compares myself a civil servant to 3 of my friends who are all private sector workers. we all working class and went to the same school and are all 29 to 30. i am the only one who is university educated and had the debt to prove it. the best off is a self employed decorator who has worked hard since 16 and has recently bought his second house, 1 works in the motor trade in a car showroom at management level and earns i think around £35k , and 1 works for northen rock and joined at entry level 7 yrs ago. he has been promoted 3-4 times and now earns around £24k per year not to mention bonuses every year which under the circumstance for the last 3 years i find staggering (not him but the bank). now i get the impression that my mate in the motor trade and the bank do nothing all day. my mate at the bank constantly brags about spending days messing around and used to spend prolonged time on the loo doing the crossword. i have worked at hmrc for 7 years. in a contact centre we are logged into an aspect and we are either taking calls, or in another code such as lunch or break. every minute of our day is logged. i work my !!!! off and always have. i earn £18k a year. i have acheived top box marking for 4 years in a row. last year this top box marking entitled me to a bonus which after tax was £200. I would also like to add i think it is grossly unfair to compare jobs in the private sector to those jobs carried out by the armed forces and emergency services

bendix

geordie28 wrote: »

most of this is utter poo. most of the thread is fixated on middle to higher wage earners and really doesnt take into consideration the average earner which i believe is around £18k. btw dont take this as me whinging because i do believe you get back what you put in. the following compares myself a civil servant to 3 of my friends who are all private sector workers. we all working class and went to the same school and are all 29 to 30. i am the only one who is university educated and had the debt to prove it. the best off is a self employed decorator who has worked hard since 16 and has recently bought his second house, 1 works in the motor trade in a car showroom at management level and earns i think around £35k , and 1 works for northen rock and joined at entry level 7 yrs ago. he has been promoted 3-4 times and now earns around £24k per year not to mention bonuses every year which under the circumstance for the last 3 years i find staggering (not him but the bank). now i get the impression that my mate in the motor trade and the bank do nothing all day. my mate at the bank constantly brags about spending days messing around and used to spend prolonged time on the loo doing the crossword. i have worked at hmrc for 7 years. in a contact centre we are logged into an aspect and we are either taking calls, or in another code such as lunch or break. every minute of our day is logged. i work my !!!! off and always have. i earn £18k a year. i have acheived top box marking for 4 years in a row. last year this top box marking entitled me to a bonus which after tax was £200. I would also like to add i think it is grossly unfair to compare jobs in the private sector to those jobs carried out by the armed forces and emergency services

I have only two things to say to this:

1) Move to the private sector then. How hard does it have to be? The last time I checked, the public sector had no 'bonded servitude' clauses in their employment arrangements.

2) You are university educated? Seriously?

geordie28

bendix wrote: »

I have only two things to say to this:

1) Move to the private sector then. How hard does it have to be? The last time I checked, the public sector had no 'bonded servitude' clauses in their employment arrangements.

2) You are university educated? Seriously?

1) who said i want to move to the private sector? my post was simply there to highlight the difference in my own personal experience of public sector pay vs private sector.
2) yes i am university educated. why does that surprise you?

bendix

geordie28 wrote: »

1) who said i want to move to the private sector? my post was simply there to highlight the difference in my own personal experience of public sector pay vs private sector.
2) yes i am university educated. why does that surprise you?

1) So what is the point of your post? You're describing two completely different career paths . . people take different directions and get different rewards at the end of it.

2) No comment.

rxbishop

Used to get £29/hour full time contract draughtsman in London during the boom times, got laid off and had to work as a draughtsman for the council and got 16k. Was a total insult, the number of middle managers was astronomical. A few guys there were alright, but basically the whole place stank to high heaven. I'm no daily mail or torygraph type, just saying what I saw. Pointless training courses, too much health and safety and endless sh1te about inclusiveness and courses on how not to be racist and stuff. It was an insult, some of the people signed up for it wholeheartedly because they knew nothing else. They didn't realise it was all just jobs for jobs sake. Was at one of these stupid courses having a smoke outside with a bloke who was employed as some kind of media PR nonjob. I was saying how I think these courses are pointless and he was trotting something out about what the taxpayers want. I said the taxpayer wants to pay less tax. He just said nothing, they really don't get it these people. I hated it there didn't do any constructive work, was always off sick, going awol, down the pub and that, I just didn't care the place was a joke and others were doing similar. I quit in the end without a job to go to but got one after 3 months - 30k (permo not contract), nice job too doing something constructive. You need binmen, and you need nurses and you need teachers I know. But the amount of waste is shocking - the forms you had to fill in the way they'll cut back on things that are not worth cutting back on but have a whole department full of people who's job it is to teach you how not to be racist, sexist or homophobic. Give me strength.

rxbishop

Used to get flexi time when I was there too. Could get another 2 days off a month I think if you did extra hours. A great system and the best thing about the council. Also could just work 10-12 and 2-4 so long as you made the hours up.

bendix

rxbishop wrote: »

Used to get £29/hour full time contract draughtsman in London during the boom times, got laid off and had to work as a draughtsman for the council and got 16k. Was a total insult, the number of middle managers was astronomical. A few guys there were alright, but basically the whole place stank to high heaven. I'm no daily mail or torygraph type, just saying what I saw. Pointless training courses, too much health and safety and endless sh1te about inclusiveness and courses on how not to be racist and stuff. It was an insult, some of the people signed up for it wholeheartedly because they knew nothing else. They didn't realise it was all just jobs for jobs sake. Was at one of these stupid courses having a smoke outside with a bloke who was employed as some kind of media PR nonjob. I was saying how I think these courses are pointless and he was trotting something out about what the taxpayers want. I said the taxpayer wants to pay less tax. He just said nothing, they really don't get it these people. I hated it there didn't do any constructive work, was always off sick, going awol, down the pub and that, I just didn't care the place was a joke and others were doing similar. I quit in the end without a job to go to but got one after 3 months - 30k (permo not contract), nice job too doing something constructive. You need binmen, and you need nurses and you need teachers I know. But the amount of waste is shocking - the forms you had to fill in the way they'll cut back on things that are not worth cutting back on but have a whole department full of people who's job it is to teach you how not to be racist, sexist or homophobic. Give me strength.

Yeah, but what do you really think about it all?

squinty

For an alternative point of view see

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/09/public-sector-pay-workers