SNP Win - The Economics of D-I-V-O-R-C-E

chewmylegoff

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scottish PARLIAMENT elections luv ! I have to ask why you're even commenting on this thread with that degree of ignorance

Keep your wig on, it's only semantics anyway.

beecher2

Generali wrote: »

Perhaps you can enlighten us. Why have so many Scots voted for a party whose central aim (nationalism) they don't support?

I can tell you the positives about the SNP, and negatives about Labour

The SNP are competent in government, have what I think are good ideas regarding the economy and society, work hard in their constituencies from what I've seen, and don't take the electorate for granted. Their campaign was positive and well run - aimed at showing what they could do for Scotland. Alex Salmond made me feel positive about the future in the leaders' debates and as a politician is miles ahead of anyone else in Holyrood.

Labour are not a truly Scottish party in that they always seem to be lead by London HQ who have their minds set on Westminster politics rather than what's good for Scotland. Their leadership was truly shocking - bereft of ideas, seen as running away from protesters, and fairly inarticulate. Their campaign was extremely negative and tried to make the Scottish electorate frightened and fearful. The knife crime focus was a big mistake. They've taken their constituents for granted for years - one of the Glasgow MSPs met with constituents by appointment only, and they were seen as not doing anything for the areas they represented. I think they forgot what their job was. Their hatred of the SNP clouds what they do and they have opposed everything the SNP has ever come up with. Their uturn on council tax showed them to be inept.

The Scottish electorate has been described as one of the most sophisticated electorates in the world. Don't be surprised if Labour win in the upcoming election in Greenock. We vote differently according to the election - and hopefully the days of blindly voting Labour are well over.

I don't think it is true that SNP voters don't support nationalism - we're a country which is extremely proud, and with a very distinct culture. Independence just isn't an issue right now.

I think we'll end up with a looser relationship with the rest of the UK - devolution max. Sounds good to me.

BTW one of your posts referred to a previous referendum on independence, but this was on devolution.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

Nice try but you're dodging the point.

The point is simple. People live in areas (eg Scotland, Northern Ireland, Sevenoaks) where they aren't always represented by the party(s) that they overwhelmingly vote for. That this happens isn't a compelling reason for Sevenoaks or Scotland to leave the United Kingdom.

I'm certqainly not trying to dodge any point.

My point is, that with a population of circa 5.25 million out of 61 million, the Scottish vote represents 8.6% of the UK vote.

If Scotland were independant it would represent 100% of the Scottish Vote.

I'm not proposing that each council has it's own government, just that I believe that the Scottish government should have full control over it's decision and finances, representing what the Scottish people have voted for.
Until we have independance, it's unlikely we'll ever have that control.

ninky_2

beecher2 wrote: »

I can tell you the positives about the SNP, and negatives about Labour

The SNP are competent in government, have what I think are good ideas regarding the economy and society, work hard in their constituencies from what I've seen, and don't take the electorate for granted. Their campaign was positive and well run - aimed at showing what they could do for Scotland. Alex Salmond made me feel positive about the future in the leaders' debates and as a politician is miles ahead of anyone else in Holyrood.

Labour are not a truly Scottish party in that they always seem to be lead by London HQ who have their minds set on Westminster politics rather than what's good for Scotland. Their leadership was truly shocking - bereft of ideas, seen as running away from protesters, and fairly inarticulate. Their campaign was extremely negative and tried to make the Scottish electorate frightened and fearful. The knife crime focus was a big mistake. They've taken their constituents for granted for years - one of the Glasgow MSPs met with constituents by appointment only, and they were seen as not doing anything for the areas they represented. I think they forgot what their job was. Their hatred of the SNP clouds what they do and they have opposed everything the SNP has ever come up with. Their uturn on council tax showed them to be inept.

The Scottish electorate has been described as one of the most sophisticated electorates in the world. Don't be surprised if Labour win in the upcoming election in Greenock. We vote differently according to the election - and hopefully the days of blindly voting Labour are well over.

I don't think it is true that SNP voters don't support nationalism - we're a country which is extremely proud, and with a very distinct culture. Independence just isn't an issue right now.

I think we'll end up with a looser relationship with the rest of the UK - devolution max. Sounds good to me.

BTW one of your posts referred to a previous referendum on independence, but this was on devolution.

very interesting insight beecher2. thanks.

ILW

If Scotland did go independent, would this mean that Scots would not be allowed to become UK MPs?

vivatifosi

Can I please ask a question of the Scots on the board? I've heard a lot recently about Scottish sectarianism, particularly in football but know very little (well, nothing really) about the issue as it pertains to Scotland. Can anyone give me a an intro on how it affects the country and whether or not it is a big issue? Thanks!

IveSeenTheLight

ILW wrote: »

If Scotland did go independent, would this mean that Scots would not be allowed to become UK MPs?

Why would there be a need for Scottish MP's at Westminster if Scotland was independant?

ILW

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Why would there be a need for Scottish MP's at Westminster if Scotland was independant?

Get the impression that the more ambitious ones would not be that interested in representing such a tiny little country with very little worldwide influence.

beecher2

ILW wrote: »

If Scotland did go independent, would this mean that Scots would not be allowed to become UK MPs?

No it wouldn't as I assume they would still be members of the Commonwealth.

beecher2

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Why would there be a need for Scottish MP's at Westminster if Scotland was independant?

You don't have to be English to represent an English constituency, just as you don't have to be Scottish to represent a Scottish one.