SNP Win - The Economics of D-I-V-O-R-C-E

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Thanks for this. I think you meant to write "absolutely, you're right" instead of not at all though.

166 vs 100 = majority of 66

122 (i.e. 166 - 44) vs 144 (i.e. 100 + 44) = labour not in power

For your calculation to be correct, you'd have to deduct all votes, not just labours

Kohoutek

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

See, this is why it irks a little.
Your comparing a district council to a country

With independance the people of Scotland would get the government they voted for, instead of what England votes for

Do you like the idea of an independent Scotland being in the shadow of the European Commission and European Central Bank? Look at the Irish.

I suppose it's "anything but Westminster" for people that support Alex Salmond and the SNP.

neverdespairgirl

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

IT's about your vote being counted.

We have a Conservative / Lib Dem government, yet only have 15.6% of seats they have in Scotland.

So? Happens all the time for other places, too. Such as Kent 1997 to 2010.

chewmylegoff

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

See, this is why it irks a little.
Your comparing a district council to a country

With independance the people of Scotland would get the government they voted for, instead of what England votes for

look at a map of england between 1997 - 2010 and see how much of it is blue. it's a larger area than scotland. 9.6 million conservative voters didn't get what they wanted, and about 9,599,997 of those votes were cast in england...

scotland doesn't get what england votes for, it gets what the UK votes for. sometimes this is also what scotland votes for, sometimes it isn't.

if scotland went its own way, it would only be a matter of time (about 10 minutes, probably) before everyone in the highlands was complaining that parliament wasn't representive of their views and bemoaning the distant influence of edinburgh and glasgow.

chewmylegoff

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

For your calculation to be correct, you'd have to deduct all votes, not just labours

how so. i'm not talking about indepedence, but demonstrating that scottish votes count in the uk general election, contrary to your claim that they do not.

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

See, this is why it irks a little.
Your comparing a district council to a country

With independance the people of Scotland would get the government they voted for, instead of what England votes for

That's not really my point but if you prefer you can substitute Northern Ireland for Sevenoaks. AFAIK they've never voted for a majority of Labour party MPs to represent them at Westminster.

Shakethedisease

Kohoutek wrote: »

Do you like the idea of an independent Scotland being in the shadow of the European Commission and European Central Bank? Look at the Irish.

I suppose it's "anything but Westminster" for people that support Alex Salmond and the SNP.

Or mabye you could look and at Norway or Sweden or Germany instead. With a great big grin on your face !!!

And I notice you completely ignored my post re the IPCC and renewables. Somehow I thought you would..:rotfl:<---- returning the wee laughy face you gave to me earlier re the Carbon Trust.

chewmylegoff

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Or mabye you could look and at d Norway or Sweden or Germany instead. With a great big grin on your face !!!

And I notice you completely ignored my post re the IPCC and renewables. Somehow I thought you would..:rotfl:<---- returning the wee laughy face you gave to me earlier re the Carbon Trust.

Germany? Yeah, good luck with that!!!!

Kohoutek

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Or mabye you could look and at Norway or Sweden or Germany instead. With a great big grin on your face !!!

Norway's not even a member of the EU...

As for Sweden or Germany, don't be silly. They are both manufacturing, export orientated economies. How is Scotland at all like them?

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And I notice you completely ignored my post re the IPCC and renewables. Somehow I thought you would..:rotfl:<---- returning the wee laughy face you gave to me earlier re the Carbon Trust.

It's another piece written by a pro-renewable energy thinktank that's talking about a scenario 40 years in the future, this time not even specific to Scotland. Surely you can do better than that?

Shakethedisease

Germany? Yeah, good luck with that!!!!

As for Sweden or Germany, don't be silly. They are both manufacturing, export orientated economies. How is Scotland at all like them?

Do you guys even BOTHER to read beyond this forum and think beyond your own closed mindsets ?

Germany could derive all of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2050 and become the world's first major industrial nation to kick the fossil-fuel habit, the country's Federal Environment Agency said today

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/07/germany-renewable-energy-electricity

Sound familiar ??

Germany set a new world record installing 7,400 MW of solar PV in one year. The country also reached a renewable energy electricity penetration of more than 30% on February 7th, 2010

The reports on the rapid growth of renewable energy in Germany may give Merkel's government the cover it needs to reverse direction on nuclear power, and by doing so reverse its faltering political fortunes.

Germany uses an advanced system of feed-in tariffs to pay for renewable energy generation, and has an aggressive target of meeting 39% of its electricity supply with renewable energy by 2020.

And there are 100's more links and info concerning Germany and renewable energy the last year or so.

I'm not going to even bother with the other two countries as the premise is the same for me. You seem absolutely closed-minded to the fact that renewable energy is getting a lot of coverage re it's potentials recently. Germany HAS and is going for VERY similar targets to Scotland up until 2050... only it hasn't got anywhere near the potential resources Scotland has. There do seem to have been major investments going on and a lot of jobs created in Germany so far.

"In 2009, investments totalling 20 billion euros were made in Germany’s renewable energies sector. According to official figures, some 300,500 people in Germany were employed in the renewable energy sector in 2009, especially in small and medium sized companies. About two-thirds of these jobs are attributed to the Renewable Energy Sources Act[1][2] Germany is the world's first major renewable-energy economy[3]."

Now, is that because Germany is as stupid as Salmond ? Or is it because Germany is a "manufacturing, and export orientated economy".. and mabye Salmond isn't so daft after all ?

What's it to be fella's ? :rotfl: