BBC show on council housing now - 21:00 4th May

ILW

chucky wrote: »

shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted solves very little.

addressing the fundamental social issues are what needs to be done by starting to educate children, teenagers and young adults not sticking single mums in hostels after they have had babies.

Seeing single mums shoved into hostels would educate the next generation, as opposed to seeing them given better housing than they could afford through working.

chucky

tartanterra wrote: »

http://www.westlondonymca.org/what_we_do/accommodation/northoltgrange_hostel.htm

they're probably a good idea in principle but just imagine bringing up a child in an environment where you have (from that website):

• A learning difficulty
• Mental health problems (low risk)
• Physical disabilities
• A history of non-violent drug or alcohol abuse.
• Criminal records and on probation
• HIV/epilepsy or other physical illness
• Pregnant
• Homeless

i'm not sure it works with young children in the same place.

chucky

ILW wrote: »

Seeing single mums shoved into hostels would educate the next generation, as opposed to seeing them given better housing than they could afford through working.

why don't we sterilise them while we're they are there too - that will stigmatise that little bit more and educate the the younger generation as well.

Graham_Devon

SingleSue wrote: »

It wasn't exactly said...but it has been hinted.

Plus, that fact does tend to be forgotten when discussions re social housing are ongoing, so I was just posting a reminder in case it is assumed by a few posters that social housing is only those on are on benefits.

The programme itself, which is I believe what people are talking about, showed no one willing to, or trying to better themselves. ALL the blame by the families was put on the government for their predicament.

I liked the end of the programme.

"8.30am, and peace returns to the household".

Peace only returned because the kids went to school. Both the mother, her partner (who only goes round for the days) and her two working age sons remained sat on the sofa. None of them trying to better themselves. All of them moaning they didn't have a big enough house. Their hopes were pinned in the two lads being given a council house themselves, so that the existing home would be less overcrowded.

I had a novel idea. Maybe the two lads could actually get off the sofa and go earn some money to help the family, and themselves out? This thought didn't even seem to be existant throughout the programme. The lack of work was not mentioned once.

Percy1983

Me and my better half where talking about this the other day and there has been times why we wonder why we are going to work and saving for a house so we can then have children, why not stop all that and have the children now and we will get the house given to us.

Logic says we should stop with our current plan but something inside says I shouldn't, maybe its because we have both come from 2 child working families.

ILW

chucky wrote: »

why don't we sterilise them while we're they are there too - that will stigmatise that little bit more and educate the the younger generation as well.

OK then you win, lets just go on paying out to encourage breeding as the way ahead and a better financial option than actually taking some responsibility for youself and your family. Seems to be working pretty well at the moment.

chucky

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Maybe the two lads could actually get off the sofa and go earn some money to help the family, and themselves out? This thought didn't even seem to be existant throughout the programme. The lack of work was not mentioned once.

Devon is right, they are all in the mental state that if the job isn't good enough for them they won't take it because it's not what they want to do.

how about them getting a job and starting somewhere and getting experience to better themselves. unfortunately it's getting to be a social problem that is engrained in many peoples culture.

Graham_Devon

chucky wrote: »

why don't we sterilise them while we're they are there too - that will stigmatise that little bit more and educate the the younger generation as well.

Your extremes are not helping the discussion here.

Hostel type arrangements work perfectly fine in other countries. Indeed, they also have lower rates of teenage pregnancies, and also benefits.

It's well worth looking at their solutions, which has the knock on effect of lower problems, as it's only people REALLY in need who use such services. Therefore, many simply don't put themselves in the situation of being in need in the first place....which is something that happens very regularly here in the UK.

ILW

chucky wrote: »

Devon is right, they are all in the mental state that if the job isn't good enough for them they won't take it because it's not what they want to do.

how about them getting a job and starting somewhere and getting experience to better themselves. unfortunately it's getting to be a social problem that is engrained in many peoples culture.

And that culture is fed by the fact that the rewards are pretty good.

chucky

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Your extremes are not helping the discussion here.

Hostel type arrangements work perfectly fine in other countries. Indeed, they also have lower rates of teenage pregnancies, and also benefits.

It's well worth looking at their solutions, which has the knock on effect of lower problems, as it's only people REALLY in need who use such services. Therefore, many simply don't put themselves in the situation of being in need in the first place....which is something that happens very regularly here in the UK.

hostel type arrangements aren't what is needed - addressing the fundamental problems are the what is needed.

running a hostel won't be cheap. reducing the people dependant on benefits or hostels is the right answer but that won't happen overnight.

the problem isn't single mothers now. the problem is the future potential single mums who are currently teenagers or children now.

boys/dad's have a responsibility as well btw.