Car never paid for - how to obtain details?

vaio

excellent post, not withstanding the ultra vires aspect it's good from the OPs point of view in that it appears enforcing a civil debt is good cause for DVLC to release the details although it does sound like it will be easier if he gets a "Debt Collection Company with an ATA membership" to get the info for him.

Wonder if court bailiffs qualify under this heading?

forgotmyname

Problem will be the current owner may not be the person you sold the car to and even if it was you would have to prove
he was the person you sold it AND he did not pay the full amount.

Whats to stop him saying he paid cash in full for the car?

vaio

forgotmyname wrote: »

Problem will be the current owner may not be the person you sold the car to and even if it was you would have to prove
he was the person you sold it AND he did not pay the full amount.

Whats to stop him saying he paid cash in full for the car?

The OP has a CCJ for the outstanding amount, if Mr Patel wants to dispute that he'll have to take it back to court and try and get the judgement set aside.

In the meantime, assuming the OP can get an up to date address and the the ownership of the car hasn't changed then at least the bailiffs will have possession of the car plus any other goods and chattels they can lay their hands on

wealdroam

I wonder if your Member of Parliament could help you demonstrate to the DVLA that you had a good reason to have the present keeper's name and address?
By writing a letter on your behalf perhaps?

Pavel_S

Wealdroam, that's a really good idea, I'll send the MP a letter.

Very helpful posts above, asbokid I think you've demonstrated the polarized attitude of DVLA in terms of dealing with personal details. I could of course keep asking them for it quoting more and more of their own text policy selectively hoping that at some point they'll just cave in.

As for payment, he'd have to prove he paid me which he hasn't as the only invoice he has is for paying the initial deposit (and it clearly states the total amount, outstanding balance etc. etc. etc.) and the subsequent CCJ.

I won't be going to any ATA debt collectors since as mentioned earlier I don't intend on spending any more significant money on the matter (cost of posting letters doesn't count). I understand that debt collectors charge a fee that's not recovered from the other party, and whilst its worthwhile if thousands of pounds are concerned, it's certainly not worth the debt concerned here.

Cheers all

asbokid

Look at this article about the DVLA from the Wolverhampton Express & Star newspaper... It was posted by Tilt in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking forum.

[DVLA] Ban lifted on car park company in fines row
Wednesday 4th May 2011, 9:00PM BST.





A parking company convicted of misleading motorists has been given permission to access the personal details of drivers again, it emerged today.

The DVLA banned Observices Parking Consultancy from acquiring the addresses of motorists after the company and its director were fined almost £30,000 by magistrates in Wolverhampton. The ban prevented the firm from fining drivers caught flouting parking restrictions by the company’s camera system at St John’s Retail Park in Snow Hill.

Despite receiving a hefty fine, OPC is continuing to enforce parking restrictions at the retail park.

DVLA spokeswoman Karen Joseph revealed today the ban imposed by the organisation had been lifted, saying: “Following our investigation, OPC is now allowed to access details.

“Investigations like this are carried out on a case-by-case basis before a decision is made. Companies that have acted out of the norm will be monitored very closely in the future.”

The DVLA imposed the ban after the firm and its director Douglas Harris, of Hertfordshire, admitted 36 offences in court on the basis of neglect rather than connivance.

Magistrates were told shoppers can leave their vehicles on the St John’s car park for two hours for free, but are fined £100 if they stayed longer.

Drivers are also warned the bill can rise to £400 if the ticket is challenged. But several drivers alleged that, after making two visits to the site, they received a fine despite never staying more than two hours.

The car park was monitored by cameras taking timed photographs but there was confusion involving cars visiting twice in one day.

Semi-retired driver salesman Chris Edwards, aged 66, off Jeffcock Road, was one of those who received a parking fine after visiting the retail park twice on the same day. He said of the DVLA’s decision to remove the ban: “It’s a disgrace.

“The DVLA should not have made a decision like this and I am surprised OPC is allowed to continue operating at the site.

“If I ever have to do shopping there again I will do it on foot knowing that that company are running the parking there.” OPC declined to comment.

Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/05/04/ban-lifted-on-car-park-company-in-fines-row/

Strider590

wealdroam wrote: »

I wonder if your Member of Parliament could help you demonstrate to the DVLA that you had a good reason to have the present keeper's name and address?
By writing a letter on your behalf perhaps?

Good idea, but fat chance.... As soon as they hear the name "Patel" they'll bury their head in the nearest bucket of sand.

No MP wants to be accused of racism.

forgotmyname

Can you prove the current keeper is the person that owes you money?

masterlumps

ROY47 wrote: »

you could try this ,it won't trace the owner but at least you can get it off your name

apply for a new log book in your name £25.00 if you can do it with just the reg number

if and when you get it ,return it as if the car has been scrapped

DONT even consider this, you have a court judgement re this car which pre dates any action that this poster is suggesting

you would likely be done for fraud yourself

masterlumps

forgotmyname wrote: »

Can you prove the current keeper is the person that owes you money?

no, as the current keeper of the car may have changed, but he has a court judgement saying that the person he sold the car to does owe him money