Car never paid for - how to obtain details?

hartcjhart

find a local private parking enforcement company and have a little word in their ear with a brown envelope with £50 inside and ask them to get the info

fivetide

How far away is it?

Can you not go round and see if the car is still there?

Just wondering if Mr Patel became Mr Hussein when the baliffs knocked. If you positively ID him you can send them back.

Can you check the electoral register at all to see if he's still at that address? As said, 192.com might help there.

5t.

Pavel_S

The car was not there last time I checked (I did it a couple of times when I was back over there) so I wouldn't be surprised if he moved and/or sold the car on by now.

My only concern with ordering a new logbook or something (not planning on declaring it scrapped or anything), aside from any technical legalities, is the fact that somebody completely innocent might own it now, and whilst it's still mine, I sure as hell wouldn't want them to go through any trouble with the coppers.

However, I also don't see why I would be done for fraud if I request a new logbook. Obviously if I declare it scrapped that is a no-go, but what is the specific offense committed?

Also, what constitutes theft? Arguably I am still the owner of the car as he did not pay the balance (and on the invoice I clearly wrote that it was a non-refundable deposit, in the event of non-payment the car would return to my ownership with right of repossession). As such, he unlawfully is in possession of my property - again, what is the actual offense of me declaring the car stolen on those grounds?

I could have repossessed it when I went to see him about the money but I was advised not to as if he then called the coppers, I would still end up with a black mark whilst they figure out who's right etc. Also why I didn't forcefully extract the money from him (which I very much would have wanted to).

Cheers all,

Even if I don't find a resolution, I think this thread is really helpful and will hopefully benefit others too

forgotmyname

Applying for the logbook could be fraud or trying to obtain goods by deception???

You already acknowledged the buyer may not be the current owner so should not be surprised the DVLA
will not give you that information.

You need to find the person who owes you the money and take them to the small claims, Where i doubt you
would win. They will say they paid in full with cash. You gave them the keys and documents so as far as i can see
no offence has been commited.

Your are unlikely to get your money and you will not get the car back.

In my opinion it is not worth anymore time or effort.


Time to move on.

vaio

forgotmyname wrote: »

.....You need to find the person who owes you the money and take them to the small claims, Where i doubt you
would win. They will say they paid in full with cash. You gave them the keys and documents so as far as i can see
no offence has been commited.

Your are unlikely to get your money and you will not get the car back.

In my opinion it is not worth anymore time or effort.........

People would value your opinion more if you read the thread and gave an opinion based on the facts

masterlumps

Pavel_S wrote: »

The car was not there last time I checked (I did it a couple of times when I was back over there) so I wouldn't be surprised if he moved and/or sold the car on by now.

My only concern with ordering a new logbook or something (not planning on declaring it scrapped or anything), aside from any technical legalities, is the fact that somebody completely innocent might own it now, and whilst it's still mine, I sure as hell wouldn't want them to go through any trouble with the coppers.

However, I also don't see why I would be done for fraud if I request a new logbook. Obviously if I declare it scrapped that is a no-go, but what is the specific offense committed?

Also, what constitutes theft? Arguably I am still the owner of the car as he did not pay the balance (and on the invoice I clearly wrote that it was a non-refundable deposit, in the event of non-payment the car would return to my ownership with right of repossession). As such, he unlawfully is in possession of my property - again, what is the actual offense of me declaring the car stolen on those grounds?

I could have repossessed it when I went to see him about the money but I was advised not to as if he then called the coppers, I would still end up with a black mark whilst they figure out who's right etc. Also why I didn't forcefully extract the money from him (which I very much would have wanted to).

Cheers all,

Even if I don't find a resolution, I think this thread is really helpful and will hopefully benefit others too

because you are NO LONGER the keeper, whether or not the car has been paid, part paid or not paid, you are still no longer the registered keeper. the court order will show the guy owes you money, not that you have any entitlement on the car

vaio

but what about....

Pavel_S wrote: »

........Also, what constitutes theft? Arguably I am still the owner of the car as he did not pay the balance (and on the invoice I clearly wrote that it was a non-refundable deposit, in the event of non-payment the car would return to my ownership with right of repossession). As such, he unlawfully is in possession of my property.......

forgotmyname

What is incorrect in my post #35?

Taking a name to court and winning because it was a fake name or have now vanished?

Having no proof the person did not pay for the car in full?

Canb you see the OP getting anything back?

vaio

you said.......

......You need to find the person who owes you the money and take them to the small claims.....

The OP has

......Where i doubt you would win......

the OP did

......They will say they paid in full with cash......

.The OP made transfer of ownership conditional on full payment

......You gave them the keys and documents so as far as i can see
no offence has been commited......

See above

I do agree that pragmatically the OP is going to struggle to get anywhere but if he can confirm that the person he sold it to still has it then at least he can set the bailiffs on him

forgotmyname

Thanks, Thats much better than just saying i am wrong.

The OP won because nobody turned up to fight the case. Not really a win. Could be contested as the buyer did not know about
the court case.

Transfer of ownership conditional on payment was only added after the original posts, I have my doubts about that. But still
say proving in court that they never paid in full would be difficult.

All the buyer has to do is say he paid for the car the next day and the seller never gave him a receipt or they threw it away
after the log book came through.

Good news.... Its taxed until 2012 but not insured.