What is the logic of proposed per mile road use charging?

redux

magyar wrote:

Most cars don't depreciate by anything like 90p per mile; it's more like 5-10p. Running costs are again more like 10p per mile, so total running costs are more like 25-30p per mile and that's probably over the top.

Sorry, that's appallingly bad maths

Please show us a one year old car with 10,000 miles that has only dropped £500 in value since new.

10 pence a mile didn't pay for the fuel for many cars a few weeks ago, as this implied over 43 mpg.

magyar

redux wrote:

Sorry, that's appallingly bad maths

Please show us a one year old car with 10,000 miles that has only dropped £500 in value since new.

10 pence a mile didn't pay for the fuel for many cars a few weeks ago, as this implied over 43 mpg.

From the AA web site


To get up to your "pound a mile" you need to have a very expensive car and drive it very little. Appears I did estimate the costs a little low, and actually for a 'normal' car it's about 30-40p a mile.

magyar

redux wrote:

Sorry, that's appallingly bad maths

Please show us a one year old car with 10,000 miles that has only dropped £500 in value since new.

10 pence a mile didn't pay for the fuel for many cars a few weeks ago, as this implied over 43 mpg.

And since we're being pedantic, it's not my maths that is in question; it's my assumptions.

redux

magyar wrote:

From the AA web site


To get up to your "pound a mile" you need to have a very expensive car and drive it very little. Appears I did estimate the costs a little low, and actually for a 'normal' car it's about 30-40p a mile.

If you read my first post again, you'll see that this was exactly the ironic point I was making - the people most in favour of or least likely to oppose such a scheme are lower than average users in expensive cars, for example 4x4s in cities for taking the kids to school - which is where the worst congestion is, and the cause of it. And that is the sort of environment which will produce much of the feedback that MPs get on this.

magyar

redux wrote:

If you read my first post again, you'll see that this was exactly the ironic point I was making - the people most in favour of or least likely to oppose such a scheme are lower than average users in expensive cars, for example 4x4s in cities for taking the kids to school - which is where the worst congestion is, and the cause of it. And that is the sort of environment which will produce much of the feedback that MPs get on this.

Point taken.

Murphy_The_Cat

droopsnout wrote:

Ye Gods, I've spent too much time on here today, but i can't resist ...
& I've enjoyed having someone new to banter with
There you go again. I didn't bring these groups up - you did!
Because these are the people that have huge influence over transport policies in my part of the world
I only suggested that you might stand for office with your local council, or maybe county county council. But you have dismissed those very abruptly!
I'd rather pluck out my eyes with a broken bottle
I had been hoping to see that you played some philanthropic or altruistic role in your community, but you may not, as you don't allude to it. (I realise that you may wish to keep such things out of the public domain).
Nope, I don't at all - but I do support every single one of my customers in every charitable venture that they do - does that count ? And I also directly support 11 local families through their wages and I trade with about about 25 local businesses - it all counts.

If you want to sit at your PC/Mac/whatever moaning about ineffective public bodies, perhaps you really might think about getting in there, changing things, and doing some good. On a not-for-profit basis, of course.
I really, really try not to complain about local councils etc because it doesn't get anything done and by virtue of their nature, they are nigh on useless. You can't blame a dog for eating it's own muck, because thats what dogs do - I feel the same about councils & public bodies.
As for a not for profit basis - I wouldn't get involved in anything like that for kings ransom. We've all got skills and strengths, and mine is providing a comfortable home for my family with a secure future, and a livelihood for the people who work with me


See? This cynicism does no-one any good! It's funny, but it's not actually contributing.
I like cynicism, it's my friend. I'm also very keen on sarcasm and mickey taking. It's a great 3 in 1 combo


This from someone who actually thinks I looked at his profile, or something?
Well in over 3 years and over 6000 posts, noone had posted it before and it seemed quite an unusual thing to do (at the time).

Thank you! As bums go, mine's reasonably polite!
A polite bum ! thats a new one on me. I'll settle for pert as a description for mine (oi, stop those sniggers at the back)

MTC

Murphy_The_Cat

redux wrote:

- and hoping that their shares in mobile phone companies don't continue to stagnate in value

That's way to obscure for me to follow !

MTC

Murphy_The_Cat

magyar wrote:

Most cars don't depreciate by anything like 90p per mile; it's more like 5-10p. Running costs are again more like 10p per mile, so total running costs are more like 25-30p per mile and that's probably over the top.

And of course, that takes as many people as you can get into the car...

My car depreciates (in the books) at £100 per week.
I'm currently racking up 25000 miles per year, so each mile driven costs me approx 21p in depreciation, compared to about 11p in fuel costs.

If i was to go all tree huggerish and slash my mileage, the depreciation per mile would go ballistic.

It's a good job taht I'm doing a run to Cardiff this weekend to keep my miles up :j

MTC

Murphy_The_Cat

droopsnout wrote:

Interesting discussion. I've learned a lot.

Don't know if I'll ever get so much time again to banter on one topic, so I'll just say thanks to all, but especially magyar, for the input.

It's been a cathartic experience!

..... and to Murphy The CaT for taking the time to argue the toss with me :rotfl: :rotfl:

Droopsnout, when you get the chance, have a look in at Discussion Time - you'll fit in perfectly

MTC

droopsnout

Jeez, no ...I love a good discussion, but if I spend any more time on here, my polite bum will find that it's grown over the sides of the chair and subsumed it in a ...

Nah. Too much info.