los pandos vineyard

cloud_dog

truth_be_told wrote: »

Yawn yawn!

I'm sorry you are finding this soooo tiring but you are the one making hugely positive commentary without providing any real substance. I'm afraid words 'just 'aint enough'

truth_be_told wrote: »

It is pointless me repeating that I don't work for the Company, that i'm an investor who has known the Company for 8 years and I'm delighted that the Company should trust in my professionalism, background and discretion to trust me with certain bits of information knowing that I shouldn't abuse it

But you haven't wholly answered the question. I'll happily accept that you are an 'investor'. It therefore follows that it is inappropriate for a company representative to provide individual investors with company sensitive information that hasn't been furnished to all investors. You could be the Queen of England and it would still be inappropriate.

Can you at least acknowledge that, assuming this has really happened, that the company (representative) have acted inappropriately?

truth_be_told wrote: »

The other investors will receive the same information as soon as it possible to put it in the public domain. Until then, you will just have to be patient and wait, won't you!!!

So, as the company respect your professionalism and discretion so very much (which you've not actually managed to keep to) can you at least provide an indicative date of when this available, soon to be released document will be published/distributed?

truth_be_told

cloud_dog wrote: »

So, as the company respect your professionalism and discretion so very much (which you've not actually managed to keep to) can you at least provide an indicative date of when this available, soon to be released document will be published/distributed?

No, because I have don't have the exact date (other than it will be soon) and, if i did, it is not my gift to give on here especially as you have stated that, in your opinion, I have been so indiscrete already (which i must say i find most amusing). I have said what I needed to say and I have no intention in going backforwards and forwards on here in every decreasing circles just because you having nothing better to do with your time.

cloud_dog

truth_be_told wrote: »

No, because I have don't have the exact date (other than it will be soon)....

A month would be fine.

truth_be_told wrote: »

I have said what I needed to say and I have no intention in going backforwards and forwards on here in every decreasing circles just because you having nothing better to do with your time.

Ok, so just to summarise for anyone coming late to this party...

1. You are just an investor
2. You are not able to provide any evidence of the statements you have made
3. The company have (purportedly) provided you with confidential and company sensitive information (but refer to point 2)
4. They haven't provided it to any other investor (but refer to point 2)
5. An independently verified 'something' will be published at some time (but refer to point 2)

The point is that your intractable position regarding this question (which you seemingly forgot to answer)....

cloud_dog wrote:

Can you at least acknowledge that, assuming this has really happened, that the company (representative) have acted inappropriately?

....only adds to the perception that because you are unwilling even to acknowledge the remotest of possibilities that this is not an appropriate way for a company (business men or women) to act when they are (supposedly) responsible to their investors that this removes any value / substance your posts may have had.

For example.... (hypothetically of course)... A company is in financial difficulties and is finding it ever increasingly difficult to pay its ongoing 'bills'. It's accountants have audited the business and verified that it will only be able to remain a viable business for another 2 months.

Now is it appropriate that only some but not all of the investors become aware of this information?

glamdring

its all just a load of contradictory rubbish! and this is exactly the type of garbage I have been reading in the updates I have received from m&c for the past 15 months.....this is a person who is not just an investor...this person is defending the investment yet cannot provide any actual evidence...which is exactly the case with the updates from m&c...

fourth time.....truth be told....can you tell me how many valueless sipps there are currently in the uk which are the result of being instigated by m&c,future solutions,pfr services and alhaurin wealth planning? Can you also tell me how many uk sipp providers are holding valueless sipps because of the orchestrated way in which funds have been gathered?

Your whole argument is based on your visits to meet with eduardo and mike. I have been asking eduardo of mikes whereabouts for two years and he has ignored every request. Just like he has ignored every other request for factual information I have made...which is why we have got to this point....you seem to have answers for everything yet none of your answers contain any information..just like your updates...at the end of the day I do not care what you say on here...I am 100% convinced that you are eduardo or mike and I am not the only person either from my personal conversations with other people...eduardo informed me personally that he had seen the blogs on here months ago and threatened me with court action lol...truth be told...you are a fraud....you insist it is for investors to go to los pandos and meet with the owners of m&c..these are people who are currently uncontactable and you want sane reasonable people to believe the utter tripe you write on here? I will not be responding to the utter lies you write on here anymore....you are a joker..you are defending the integrity of m&c without having any evidence....

truth_be_told

Well, Glamdring, you are entitled to your own opinions as I am mine. You talk of providing evidence and I have summarised my own personal experiences and involvement with M&C and have made the effort to verify the key facts in my regular visits to Spain. So many of your concerns would be immediately alleviated if you went too had gone to view directly the project and the information held on file there.


You mention you have been in direct communciation with Eduardo, so it must be immediately apparent, even to the likes of you, that he is not a native English speaker and could not be writing these comments.


You keep going on about the number of SIPP companies involved with this investment as though i should know, or even wish to care to know, because it is irrelevant. All I can report on here is that when I transferred to my SIPP to a new set of trustees, they undertook extremely rigorous checks and counterchecks, in accordance with the FCA guidelines on non-standard investments, only a couple of months ago, which also confirmed my own personal findings. Do you think that we are all stupid and ignorant as you?? Do you think that the likes of Deloitte, Fundacion Metropoli, the tax and administration departments and public notaries in Spain, not to mention the various UK SIPP trustees, are all involved in some elaborate fraud and corruption scandal?


And then you think you are a more credable character than all of the above parties, including myself, when all you do is use threatening behaviour and abusive language on here to the extent that 6 of your earlier comments have been removed by the website administrators too? So basically, in your eyes, everyone else connected with this project is in some way a liar and a fraudster and you are the only one speaking the truth when you have not one shred of conclusive evidence to support any of your unfounded accusations and allegations.


Is it any wonder that Eduardo isn't divulging Mike's whereabouts to you given your previously highlighted threatening behaviour towards them, and possibly also towards other individuals not mentioned directly in this forum?


And if want to do something constructive for a change, why don't you make an attempt to research the specific document and file numbers mentioned in the bimonthly updates which you constantly state don't mention anything useful?


So it you who is the 'joker' and not a particularly good one at that!

cloud_dog

Ehem...

cloud_dog wrote:

For example.... (hypothetically of course)... A company is in financial difficulties and is finding it ever increasingly difficult to pay its ongoing 'bills'. It's accountants have audited the business and verified that it will only be able to remain a viable business for another 2 months.

Now is it appropriate that only some but not all of the investors become aware of this information?

truth_be_told wrote: »

....You talk of providing evidence and I have summarised my own personal experiences and involvement with M&C and have made the effort to verify the key facts in my regular visits to Spain.

Ermmm, but you're still failing to deliver one piece of actual, real evidence to back up your words.

Whereas glamdring has one piece of irrefutable evidence.... They have failed to meet their contractual financial obligations with regard to his investment and he has every right to be very concerned regarding his investment, as any right minded investor would be (ehem).

How long has glamdring been waiting for his investment money now?

truth_be_told wrote: »

So it you who is the 'joker' and not a particularly good one at that!

Ermmmm no, 'fraid not laughing boy. Guess again.

Gadfium

Well, all your hand-waving and tales of clandestine "evidence" has convinced me TBT. I wasn't going to put any money into this [STRIKE]scam[/STRIKE] investment opportunity. Tales of people not receiving their monies, no current website for the company and a Facebook page that hasn't been updated in 4 years nearly convinced me not to invest. But then you turned up, and 57 posts later I'm a believer.

Where's my chequebook? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

silverwhistle

This is hilarious for the non-involved spectators, not so much for the stung investors excluding 'truth be told' of course, who seems to be involved in some sort of insider dealing. ;-)

glamdring

its an underhand scam from beginning to end...the ways in which they have obtained investment.....the individuals used for obtaining investment...the total lack of on-line clarity and evidence...the way in which telephone numbers stop working....the disappearance of the owners (of which by the way I am just one of many people looking for [TEXT DELETED BY FORUM TEAM]..but not for much longer as I have his address in Spain)....the total lack of substantial evidence and answers delivered by m&c.....the utter arrogance to believe that despite owing many people alot of money that they can continue to reel out updates that just contain a load of utter mindless garbage....i have a right to be aggressive and insulting because your company has £32,000 of my money which was due back to me a year ago and hasnt been returned to me..i can assure you that I have no interest in your updates..documents or any other rubbish you wish to try and sell me...i am interested in one thing..the return of my money and the time of being nice..reasonable and considerate ended twelve months ago..so i hope this is clear enough for you

glamdring

oh and my very last point to you "truth be told"..i am doing something very constructive...retrieving my money..so lets hope your not an insider or indeed one of the pair of thieves who stole my money