dog has bit my son

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

peachyprice wrote: »

You might want to re-read which of your posts I've 'ripped into'. I only quoted your posts that were highly inaccurate in that you were saying things were written that weren't, no other reason and nothing to do with my views on dogs who bite children or the way your dog fits into your family.

Ok, we're going going round in circles - OP has never confirmed/denied they were/were not in the house - I can hand on heart say i honestly read it as OP had left the kids on their own (as in OP not in room) i stand by the OP doesnt have full story so shouldnt make a quick judgement comment (andto be honest, we dont have full story either but a lot of people have already condemned the dog to death) would it of been a different story if we found out the kids booted the dog every day for 6 years then dog bit them one day?

Poor dogs probably already been PTS - I guess we'll never know as OP hasnt come back.

meritaten

I wouldnt have come back if I had been OP! some of the posts were apallingly insensitive to the OP! considering her son was BADLY bitten and had to have stitches! either they ripped into her for not hovering over the kids and dog (and realistically - who can be in a position to stop a very quick agile dog from biting?) or condemning her for even THINKING of putting down a dog who bit a small child! some of you on this thread have very STRANGE values!
As much as I love dogs and cats - I could NOT in all conscience keep a dog which has bitten badly my child (I am fairly sure though that some of the posters would rehome the child). Or pass the dog onto another person where it may well do the same thing to another child. a rescue centre would check the dog over - and it may well be that the dog would never be rehomed. or PTS. I would take that decision myself though I think. and thank the goddess I never had to do that!

davsidipp

reading through these posts theres a lot of distrust of the jrt,i have 2 and a pug and a 2 year old grandson who lives at home with us and a lot boils down to how the "animal" is treated.yes i love my dogs but have to say they are dogs a nd should be treated as !my dogs never go upstairs or sleep on anyones bed as i remember my old westie snapping at my daughter who had her on the bed and she moved her foot and the westie didnt like it.my dogs no their place and yes my grandson can be a pain with them most kids are but we are strict and try to make him understand its wrong to pull them around.i feel sorry for the op but i also find it hard to believe the dog did it for no reason.the only time my parson snapped was when he cut under his eye and i went to touch it he was in pain and it was his only way of letting me know.op let us know what you decided id hate the thought of being in your position. julie

willing2learn_3

Nod_Off wrote: »

The vet examined the dog and found him to have a back injury. Back injury+child climbing all over the dog=only ever going to be one inevitable outcome. If I had a sore back and you were climbing all over me, damn sure I'd bite you too!

Agree with your post but would still ask why was the child climbing all over the dog?

Back injury or optimal health - dogs should not have to put up with children climbing all over them.

meritaten

willing2learn wrote: »

Agree with your post but would still ask why was the child climbing all over the dog?

Back injury or optimal health - dogs should not have to put up with children climbing all over them.

Children should not have to put up with dogs biting them in the face.

davsidipp

meritaten wrote: »

Children should not have to put up with dogs biting them in the face.

no children should not be bitten by dogs on the face or any where else but children should learn respect the animal and going by my grandson who can be quite over powering towards our dogs sometimes its hard for some dogs to tolerate this for one reason or another.the op dog may have been messed around before and found it hard to tolerate thus biting.i still find it hard to believe he turnt like that just for stroking him knowing my own dogs but unless op comes back with an answer we wont know the truth.

willing2learn_3

meritaten wrote: »

Children should not have to put up with dogs biting them in the face.

OP aside (as the situation is not clear there and also we are talking here about children climbing on dogs)....if a child is controlled by the parent so that they are not close enough to be bitten, ie by climbing on the poor animal, then it wouldn't happen. Equally it is the responsibility of the dog owner to keep the dog away from the child....but it's not their fault if they have their dog on a lead, are moving away and the child keeps coming at them. The dog will take this as an attack and become defensive....it is the parent's responsibility to stop the child....some do, some don't.

Kaz2904

Kaz2904 wrote: »

I still hate JRTs. I'm better with other dogs now but still very nervous. Shame because we had dogs ourselves when I was smaller

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

Why tar every JRT with the same brush?

How about quoting the whole lot?
Anyway, copied from wikipedia, below. I've not actually met a jrt which wasn't yappy and snappy.
Jack Russells are first and foremost a working terrier.[48] Originally bred to bolt fox from their dens during hunts, they are used on numerous ground-dwelling quarry such as groundhog, badger, and red and grey fox.[49] The working JRT is required to locate quarry in the earth, and then either bolt it or hold it in place until they are dug to.[50] To accomplish this, the dog won't bark but will expect attention to the quarry continuously. Because the preservation of this working ability is of highest importance to most registered JRTCA/JRTCGB breeders, Jack Russells tend to be extremely intelligent, athletic, fearless, and vocal dogs.[8] It is not uncommon for these dogs to become moody or destructive if not properly stimulated and exercised, as they have a tendency to bore easily and will often create their own fun when left alone to entertain themselves.[51]
Their high energy and drive make these dogs ideally suited to a number of different dog sports such as flyball or agility.[52] Obedience classes are also recommended to potential owners,[49] as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.[8] Despite their small size, these dogs are not recommended for the condominium or apartment dweller unless the owner is ready to take on the daunting task of providing the dog with the necessary amount of exercise and stimulation. They have a tremendous amount of energy for their size,[51] a fact which can sometimes lead to trouble involving larger animals.[53] They may seem to never tire and will still be energetic after their owner has called it a day. While socialized members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional.[15]

orlao

Kaz2904 wrote: »

. I've not actually met a jrt which wasn't yappy and snappy.
as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.

You obviously haven't met any of my 3 - yappy and snappy just isn't allowed in my house! Or my friends two young JRTs - she has a 6 year old child who the dogs happily and safely live with. But a lot of work has been put into these dogs, nice dogs are made not born.

I think the bolded part could apply to any dog that hasn't been properly trained and socialised....especially working breeds.

Back on OT I hope the OP has done the right thing by both the dog and her children and learnt from what must be a very hard lesson. I'd love to have an update...

WolfSong2000

Kaz2904 wrote: »

How about quoting the whole lot?
Anyway, copied from wikipedia, below. I've not actually met a jrt which wasn't yappy and snappy.
Jack Russells are first and foremost a working terrier.[48] Originally bred to bolt fox from their dens during hunts, they are used on numerous ground-dwelling quarry such as groundhog, badger, and red and grey fox.[49] The working JRT is required to locate quarry in the earth, and then either bolt it or hold it in place until they are dug to.[50] To accomplish this, the dog won't bark but will expect attention to the quarry continuously. Because the preservation of this working ability is of highest importance to most registered JRTCA/JRTCGB breeders, Jack Russells tend to be extremely intelligent, athletic, fearless, and vocal dogs.[8] It is not uncommon for these dogs to become moody or destructive if not properly stimulated and exercised, as they have a tendency to bore easily and will often create their own fun when left alone to entertain themselves.[51]
Their high energy and drive make these dogs ideally suited to a number of different dog sports such as flyball or agility.[52] Obedience classes are also recommended to potential owners,[49] as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.[8] Despite their small size, these dogs are not recommended for the condominium or apartment dweller unless the owner is ready to take on the daunting task of providing the dog with the necessary amount of exercise and stimulation. They have a tremendous amount of energy for their size,[51] a fact which can sometimes lead to trouble involving larger animals.[53] They may seem to never tire and will still be energetic after their owner has called it a day. While socialized members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional.[15]

hhhmmm -I could be wrong, but I think terriers were originally bred as ratters. As far as I am aware (and I could be wrong), they're involvement in fox hunting is a fairly new addition - traditionally a fox would be caught on open ground only. If the fox made it to ground it was seen to have "won" and was left alone.

As for the bit you've highlighted - the same could be true of *any* breed of dog. My mother used to dogsit and a few years ago she took in a Neapolitan Mastiff. It was the owners first dog and they had no clue about how to train it. As a result, the dog was unruly and a pain in the backside (nice enough dog, just no manners) so my mother and I (I was living at home at the time) ended up training it. It went back to the owners more or less trained, and was well behaved for a while, but then they complained the dog didn't like their baby, so the dog came back to us, and we started from scratch again. Again, we found no issues with the dog other than lack of training - otherwise a perfectly decent dog. Anyhow, to cut a long story short the owners came back a third time and said that the dog had growled at their baby and they couldn't have it in the house. We agreed that that the best thing was to re-home it, and within days had found it a new home with an experienced dog owner. We then called the current owners to tell them, only to be told that the dog had growled again/snapped at their baby and so they had had the dog PTS. They hadn't thought to call us to see if we could take the dog off their hands until it was rehomed (which we would have happily done as he was a great dog). I was so unbelievably angry at what they'd done :mad:.

Anyhow, moral of the story - some breeds (JRT's) included are more prone to become aggressive if they're not trained/socialised properly. At the other end of the spectrum from the above story, I know a family who have a gorgeous, gorgeous golden retriever !!!!!. She's an absolute sweetie, but has had to endure years of torture (and I mean torture - physical abuse) from the family's kids who I swear to God are evil, and although she's become slightly nuts as a result, she has never, ever so much as growled at the kids, let alone snap at them. The dog has the patience of a saint, and quite frankly I am in awe of her. lol.

My own experience of JRT's is that they're not necessarily the most family friendly dogs...I had one growing up, and she was fine, mostly... bit grumpy, but she'd only snap if you accidentally sat on her (she liked to get under the chair covers we had, and as she was a "runt" she was sometimes hard to spot. lol. We also used to look after some other terriers....one was called "Spliff" (I kid you not) and he was a grumpy sod. Constantly growling, forever in a bad mood with everyone, etc and I wouldn't have trusted him for a second around kids. My favorite though, had to be Kiri, a parsons Jack Russell. She was an absolute nutcase - not particularly snappy, but totally off her rocker (we got on very well. lol). When she peed she used to walk along doing a handstand with her back legs up in the air...never, ever seen a dog do that. lol.