dog has bit my son

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

Sorry, Been away!

Kaz2904 wrote: »

How about quoting the whole lot?
Anyway, copied from wikipedia, below. I've not actually met a jrt which wasn't yappy and snappy.
Jack Russells are first and foremost a working terrier.[48] Originally bred to bolt fox from their dens during hunts, they are used on numerous ground-dwelling quarry such as groundhog, badger, and red and grey fox.[49] The working JRT is required to locate quarry in the earth, and then either bolt it or hold it in place until they are dug to.[50] To accomplish this, the dog won't bark but will expect attention to the quarry continuously. Because the preservation of this working ability is of highest importance to most registered JRTCA/JRTCGB breeders, Jack Russells tend to be extremely intelligent, athletic, fearless, and vocal dogs.[8] It is not uncommon for these dogs to become moody or destructive if not properly stimulated and exercised, as they have a tendency to bore easily and will often create their own fun when left alone to entertain themselves.[51]
Their high energy and drive make these dogs ideally suited to a number of different dog sports such as flyball or agility.[52] Obedience classes are also recommended to potential owners,[49] as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.[8] Despite their small size, these dogs are not recommended for the condominium or apartment dweller unless the owner is ready to take on the daunting task of providing the dog with the necessary amount of exercise and stimulation. They have a tremendous amount of energy for their size,[51] a fact which can sometimes lead to trouble involving larger animals.[53] They may seem to never tire and will still be energetic after their owner has called it a day. While socialized members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional.[15]

Firstly, never quoted the whole lot because it wasnt relevant to my post you stated you still hate JRT - if you said that about a person it would be deemed racist (ok, very extreme example but still . . .) you havent met EVERY single JRT so how can you dislike them all?

as for wiki - surely you dont believe everything you read on the net?

That said - Have you read what you copied from wiki? incidently the last sentance?

"While socialized members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional"

ANY untrained dog can be dangerous.

Yes, JRT we're originally working dogs, so we're rotweillers, german shepherds, border collies and st bernards. Staffies we're fighting dogs with bears, as were Rhodeshian Ridgebacks who fought lions, Dalmations we're used as rescue dogs. I havent quoted smaller dogs - like pugs or Chihuahua's because these are so intensley bred they are now full of health issues. The point of this is that times have changed, dogs have changed. You may argue that the animals original instinct is there - but if you believe darwins theory of evolution, we came from monkeys, I assume you dont swing from tree's eating banana's?

Adults annoy the hell out of me. I'll see a family walk towards me, i'll lead my dog, then the adults will tell their kids to "go and stroke the dog then!" - they assume my dog wants to be man handled by a kid. (OK, my dog actually does love fusses but they dont know that do they!)

My DD is 3, She'll point to a dog and say "look mummy!" and i always reply the same "oo yeah - but we dont go near the doggy do we as we dont know him?" and she never does. If its a dog we know she wont rush to pet the dog and always ask's he owners if its ok - and even then i am stood between her and the dogs head.

It's not the breed of dog thats the problem - It's the owners and parents. Owners who dont handle their dogs properly and parents who dont think about their children's safety.

sarah*a

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

.......as were Rhodeshian Ridgebacks who fought lions......

I'd love to see my RRX if faced with a lion - she'd run a mile (thankfully )

Adults annoy the hell out of me. I'll see a family walk towards me, i'll lead my dog, then the adults will tell their kids to "go and stroke the dog then!" - they assume my dog wants to be man handled by a kid.

Just as bad are the adults who do a little scream as we walk past - on lead - because we have a BIG dog (she's smaller than a Lab!)

It's not the breed of dog thats the problem - It's the owners and parents. Owners who dont handle their dogs properly and parents who dont think about their children's safety.

Well said :T

WolfSong2000

fleagle21 wrote: »

Reading things like this (especially about goldens!) makes me SO angry! You can bet your bottom dollar that should the day come and the dog does snap, it'll be "oh, that wicked dog, biting those poor children, get it put down..."

I know there are genuine cases of totally unprovoked attacks, but as mummy to dogs and not kids myself, I always can't help but wonder if it was completely the dogs fault. And as horrible as that may sound I believe that there are evil kids as well as evil dogs - quoted post proves my point!

I very much doubt (one can never be 100% sure!) that this dog will ever snap. She's an absolute sweetie and has the tolerance levels of a saint, but the kids abuse has taken its toll on her...she's not "normal" - she's somewhat...I guess you'd say neurotic...she also worships my father (much like the female owner - who's married and has kids, but that's another story altogether! lol) and gets giddy with excitement every time she sees him. It's quite sweet to watch, but I do wonder how much better her life would have been if she had better owners and wasn't abused .

And for the record these children are absolutely evil. They seem to actually derive pleasure from hurting animals. They've even tried it on my dogs once or twice (pulling ears, poking finger in eye, etc) when they're plenty old enough to know better, but my dogs are also saints and just got up and walked away, bless them. Our old retriever (sadly passed on) is the only dog I could just about 100% guarantee would be fine with kids, even unsupervised. He was obsessed with baby things (n a good way) and *adored* children. If he met some people walking a dog, he'd ignore the dog and go and say hi to the people - especially if they had a kid. lol.

WolfSong2000

vl2588 wrote: »

Dogs have no concept of good or evil, so however much we may judge something as 'unprovoked' there is really no such thing.

Maybe not good and evil, but they know the difference between right and wrong - I've no doubt about that. And yes, you can have dogs which attack unprovoked, but this is extremely rare...I've only ever met one dog (out of hundreds) which did this, and he had very serious mental issues (was abused). If he randomly decided he didn't like someone, he would attack them - and he'd mean it. But as long as you were careful about him and took note of his behaviour (his body language was very messed up - he'd come up to you for a cuddle and a scratch, then while you were giving him a scratch he'd start growling...aside from the growling, his other body language was fine/non-aggressive...he was just a very messed up dog.

99.9% of the time, though, a dog will give you a decent warning before it attacks (short of pittbulls which have been specifically bred not to). Trouble is, most people (including kids) don't understand/recognise the signs. e.g. a dog with a wagging tail isn't always a good thing - if the tail is raised too high and/or it's just the tip of the tail wagging, that's a sign of aggression and you should be backing away pretty quickly. Most people though just associate tail wagging with friendly dogs, which can cause problems.

gravitytolls

gettingready wrote: »

Yeah, right - as long as your daughter is at the BACK end of the dog EVERY single time the dog is around that is of course fine.....:rotfl:

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee, c'mon.

OP never said she was not in the same room as her kids when this happened, never seen she has not seen the bite herself.

Agreed, never ever leave a child and dog alone together.

Fair enough, if you're babysitting or mutt sitting, but in the nirmal course of a day, not possible, unless you plan to cage the kids or the dog.

What about cooking, lunch, hanging out washing, going to the loo? What if one child needs help upstairs, leaving another downstairs?

It simply can't be done. We've had dogs for 22 years, and cats., and children. In our experience, bithes make much better pets to have around children. We've had 2 males and 5 !!!!!es (I grew up with !!!!!es too, as did DH). The large dog bit my son, twice. the first time close to his 3 yr old eye, the second time close to his other eye. The first time, I didn't see why, the second, my son was standing next to me in the kitchen, the dog came past, son turned toward the dog, dog bit him. He went back to the rescue centre.

We now have a Chinese Crested male. Were he a larger dog, he would no longer live here, as he utterly intolerant, no we don't allow the children to dress him up, put him prams etc., they prefer to do that to the cat (joke).

The !!!!! staffy/collie cross is only 1 but is fab, as the other !!!!!es have been. All our females have moved away if they get fed up with the children, they've let babies crawl over them, toddlers walk with them, shared meals with them (the children can't resist puppy dog eyes, as soon as my back's turned....)

I'm amazed by the number of peopel who say 'poor dog'. Really? Not poor boy? The dog is just a dog, sorry, but it's true. It should know it's place in the pecking order, and it should know it's at the bottom.

ladymarmalade1970

WolfSong2000 wrote: »

I very much doubt (one can never be 100% sure!) that this dog will ever snap. She's an absolute sweetie and has the tolerance levels of a saint, but the kids abuse has taken its toll on her...she's not "normal" - she's somewhat...I guess you'd say neurotic...she also worships my father (much like the female owner - who's married and has kids, but that's another story altogether! lol) and gets giddy with excitement every time she sees him. It's quite sweet to watch, but I do wonder how much better her life would have been if she had better owners and wasn't abused .

And for the record these children are absolutely evil. They seem to actually derive pleasure from hurting animals. They've even tried it on my dogs once or twice (pulling ears, poking finger in eye, etc) when they're plenty old enough to know better, but my dogs are also saints and just got up and walked away, bless them. Our old retriever (sadly passed on) is the only dog I could just about 100% guarantee would be fine with kids, even unsupervised. He was obsessed with baby things (n a good way) and *adored* children. If he met some people walking a dog, he'd ignore the dog and go and say hi to the people - especially if they had a kid. lol.

Did you not have words with firstly the parents and then the kids? If kids had done that to my dogs i would be absolutely LIVID!
I also think i would have phoned the RSPCA re the retriever and social services re the parents letting their kids do this! They are putting those kids at serious risk and it's totally unfair that they could do that to someone else's dog and it bites them then the dog has to be PTS.
There is just no excuse for cruelty.

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

gravitytolls wrote: »

Agreed, never ever leave a child and dog alone together.

Fair enough, if you're babysitting or mutt sitting, but in the nirmal course of a day, not possible, unless you plan to cage the kids or the dog.

What about cooking, lunch, hanging out washing, going to the loo? What if one child needs help upstairs, leaving another downstairs?

It simply can't be done. We've had dogs for 22 years, and cats., and children. In our experience, bithes make much better pets to have around children. We've had 2 males and 5 !!!!!es (I grew up with !!!!!es too, as did DH). The large dog bit my son, twice. the first time close to his 3 yr old eye, the second time close to his other eye. The first time, I didn't see why, the second, my son was standing next to me in the kitchen, the dog came past, son turned toward the dog, dog bit him. He went back to the rescue centre.

We now have a Chinese Crested male. Were he a larger dog, he would no longer live here, as he utterly intolerant, no we don't allow the children to dress him up, put him prams etc., they prefer to do that to the cat (joke).

The !!!!! staffy/collie cross is only 1 but is fab, as the other !!!!!es have been. All our females have moved away if they get fed up with the children, they've let babies crawl over them, toddlers walk with them, shared meals with them (the children can't resist puppy dog eyes, as soon as my back's turned....)

I'm amazed by the number of peopel who say 'poor dog'. Really? Not poor boy? The dog is just a dog, sorry, but it's true. It should know it's place in the pecking order, and it should know it's at the bottom.

Just wanted to answer the highlighted part - this is what i do.

If cooking, the dog goes outside so not near DD unsupervised. DD is either at kitchen table drawing etc to keep her away from cooker or in living room watching cbeebies with me checking constantly

Hanging washing out - DD comes with me and passes me pegs to help, Dog is in yard in "his" section (its fenced off) or in the house.

Loo - DD comes with me

I only have 1 child, but if i had 2 and 1 was downstairs and other needed me upstairs, I'd take the child from downstairs with me upstairs.

Surely its more easier to think ahead than put a child in possible harms way?

gravitytolls

What if you had 4 Mimi? Or an elderly relative was visiting? A neighbour called needing to urgently use the ohone?

Or frankly, you just needed to 'go' urgently and didn't have time to gather child and run?

Dogs live for an average 14 years, I simply do not believe it is possible to guarantee dogs and children will never be together with adult eyes upon them at all times, unless it is an animal that is used to being segregated.

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

easy! you grab the dog, put it outside, close the door and lock it, take the key out so the kids cant open it and let the dog in then escape to the loo.

Its common sense. I would rather hang on, cross my legs and run to the toilet than risk leaving DD with a dog unsupervised - REGARDLESS how long i've had the dog or how well behaved he is.

gravitytolls

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

easy! you grab the dog, put it outside, close the door and lock it, take the key out so the kids cant open it and let the dog in then escape to the loo.

Its common sense. I would rather hang on, cross my legs and run to the toilet than risk leaving DD with a dog unsupervised - REGARDLESS how long i've had the dog or how well behaved he is.

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