As The Workhouse Approaches....How To Do Everything To Avoid It, the Old Style Way

taurusgb

Charis wrote: »

Yes, it does feel very odd. My oldest started school in 1981, so 30 years of continuous school for my children, until the youngest left Sixth Form today. I remember dashing indoors to get the camera to take a picture of the oldest with his slipper bag and lunch box all ready for school. It seems like two lifetimes ago.

Lol yes it does...and those two lifetimes ago I thought that by the time I reached this stage of my life I would find money and spare time infinitely more plentiful. Funny how wrong you can be!

bluebag

kittie wrote: »

cloned meat is being sneaked into the supermarkets by the end of summer :eek::eek::eek:

This absolutely horrifies me as it will not be labelled as such

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/8415170/Meat-from-offspring-of-cloned-animals-to-go-on-sale-in-UK.html

Horrified at this, no consumer choice at all. What happened to food labelling?
I shall be writing to Mr Cameron about this, it's disgusting that we can't make an informed choice.

I shall not be buying it, EVER!!!!

bluebag

Just pulled this up about supermarkets not selling cloned meat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371786/Supermarkets-wont-sell-clone-meat-Caroline-Spelman-sabotages-Frankenfoods-label-plans.html

flowertotmum

Taurusgb..i kinda know what you mean..my son left school last yr..as my surprise baby was starting school..it does go so fast..i can remember when all my girls and son started school and that empty feeling..wandering around the house for about a week til i got used to them not being there..now i only have littlest tot at home..and she is 3 this yr so nursery beckons..what will i do then...
Hippeechiq..so glad your oh got a pay rise..i know you weren't rubbing our noses in it hun..nice to hear good news and even better to share amongst friends.(((hugs))).

sistercas

Hippeechiq wrote: »

ANYWAY OH is a civil servant and because they've received no pay rise for the past 2 years, each employee has received a one off, (small) lump sum of money, and as a surprise, he has bought me a large, build-your-own, tubular framed, pvc covered walk in greenhouse!!
I'm absolutely thrilled :T

Re chickpeas I discovered a nice Chana Masala type dish a few months back, very similar to yours Redlady but with Coconut Milk added. Makes it lovely & creamy. Served over rice, makes a nutritional but cheap meal.
I use them in a Vegetarian Bean Curry recipe I found last year and also a Moroccan inspired chicken (thigh) dish, using various spices, dried apricots and chickpeas which is very nice. I only "discovered" them last year and absolutely love them.

:T i am thrilled for you , how lovely , you could start growing loads of stuff now how about pitching it so it blocks the view of your neighbours

is your masala dish on the recipe thread? it sounds lovely , if not could you post it for me

flowertotmum

Redlady..yes she is nosey..wants to know all your buisness and then talks about you behind your back...think she thinks we don't this..its a very one sided conversation..mainly her talking and me nodding and umming and arring..my other friend finds it hilarious..
As for the bird phobia..well don't get me wrong i love my chickens and will go and feed them and clean them out..but the minute they start flapping i'm off...lol...we have had starlings in our living room many times...eventually i got caps for the chimneys..birdies can sit on them and not fall down..relieved yes..
ftm

ceridwen

Charis wrote: »

I'm still wondering why it is more cost effective to clone animals than to breed them normally? It must be quite a palaver, and they'd need laboratory services, which don't come cheap. I understand that when humans have in vitro fertilisation they have to go through hormone treatments to help the process. Hormones are banned in animals producing organic foods - yet apparently not if they are in their system before birth? My objection to the whole process is just a gut reaction that 'it ain't natural'.

I looked at Ceridwen's link to the Vegetarian Society and have decided to make at least some of my main meals Vegetarian every week. If I can work up a good repertoire I may give up meat altogether. That 'Zen Habits' Guy Leo reckons you only need about ten different recipes to go completely vegetarian. You can add more as you go. Now that DS has left home I can eat what I like, for the first time ever

No reason why not to make a start with being veggie by having say every other dinner as a vegetarian one to "break into it" gently. Me - I just went straight for it "cold turkey" (excuse the pun....:rotfl:). I find that it took my system a couple of weeks to adapt to the changed way of eating when I swopped to veggie and again when I swopped back.

I swopped back for a while because I was getting influenced by other people (boyfriends to be precise) - but then thought "to thine own self be true" and swopped back to vegetarian. Again - it took a couple of weeks for my system to adapt fully.

Think its all the extra roughage that takes bit of adapting to initially?? Probably most people wouldnt notice anything - or leastways very little "adaptation". What I noticed was minimal.

Initially there will be odd thoughts about fancying a bacon sandwich for instance - thats the typical "initial miss". It doesnt take very long at all before one never even thinks about meat (except when eating out somewhere that makes it obvious they feel they are doing vegetarians a favour by offering one choice - compared to meat-eaters loadsa choice:(:mad::(). Howsomever - pubs/restaurants/etc are a LOT better at catering for us than they used to be back when I originally started out on this path and other peoples' reaction generally is a lot more positive than it used to be towards this.

I remember the vegetarian dishes of the 1960s and 1970s :( - interesting they weren't. It was a "labour of love" to be a veggie back when I started - but these days we can eat so much better than back then.:)

**************

Anyways - I dont recall the full definition of what constitutes "organic food" - but its rather more widely defined than just in terms of "chemicals or no chemicals" involved. Animal welfare is certainly also a consideration - hence cloned animals would be unlikely to be allowed as milk producers for organic dairy products.

Anyway - for interest:

www.soilassociation.org/Whyorganic/Welfareandwildlife/Cloning/tabid/941/Default.aspx

[Deleted User]

bluebag wrote: »

Just pulled this up about supermarkets not selling cloned meat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371786/Supermarkets-wont-sell-clone-meat-Caroline-Spelman-sabotages-Frankenfoods-label-plans.html

thank you thank you thank you
I admit to tossing it about in my mind last night, kind of feeling let down by the powers that be. I feel more reassured now

ceridwen

As ever - I've consulted my own personal "reference library" for what I consider to be the best starter books for easy/interesting/cheap food for people wanting vegetarian recipes and these are good:

"Beyond Baked Beans Green - real veggie food for students" - Fiona Beckett

"Vegetarian grub on a grant" - Cas Clarke

"Vegetarian student" - jenny Baker

"Vegetarian nosh 4 students - a fun cookbook for students" - JOy May

BTW Fiona Beckett has her own website - with some of her recipes on there.

[Deleted User]

I was veggie for 10 years but feel much better having a small intake of meat. I need the B vitamins and the iron and the complex amino acids. My allotment friend is pure veggie and looks washed out

I received a couple of great 1p books from amazon today, one was first printed in 1973 so is right from my grown up, young mum era. It is full of fantastic preserving recipes, lots of the old style stuff, four recipes using marrow (I have a growing plant). The format is very different to today with 4 recipes on a page and few pictures. There is nettle beer and pickles, wines, bottling etc. The book is a really good find and is hardback and in good condition, something to hand to dd one day when I get past preserving