As The Workhouse Approaches....How To Do Everything To Avoid It, the Old Style Way

redlady_1

I did wonder how they would get it through without uproar from the masses but christ, what else are they doing on the side that we dont know about??

I can now confirm that the ham is now on the stove and I am off to the gym. When I come back the OH should be here, ham should be cooked and ham egg and chips will be en route

Hippee...someone is always jealous of whatever you have, even if it is very little. I say :T:T:T:T for the pay rise and its about time we had some good news on the thread. Pssst...I can recommend some nice clothes shops :D

Give up bacon sandwiches???? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: NEVER I tell ya. Would rather give up chocolate. It would be a tough call between bacon sandwich and crisps though.

ginnyknit

hippeechiq congrats on the richly deserved cash injection and WOW about the greeenhouse. I have 2 small greenhouse - dont forget to tether it to the ground or it will join Mardatha's neighbours poly tunnel over the sea! I lost a full load f seedlings last year cos I didnt weight mine down - duh - I just put paving stones on the bottom shelves of mine.

I am a bit off colour today, some bug doing the rounds, Oh had it yesterday but is better now. I think I may have been over doing it this week. Planted out squashes and pumpkins whilst the ground is wet to give them a fighting chance. Think the cucumbers and courgettes are going to be good this year as they have big clusters of growth. First peas and radishes are there and beetroots looking good too.

ceridwen

kittie wrote: »

I was veggie for 10 years but feel much better having a small intake of meat. I need the B vitamins and the iron and the complex amino acids. My allotment friend is pure veggie and looks washed out

I think it depends a bit on the person. I've never noticed any unhealthy-looking vegetarians myself. I have noticed a few vegans who didnt look very healthy to me I know - but never vegetarians.

For myself - when I was bemoaning my lost looks to my best friend earlier this week (and I'm certainly not spring chicken age by anyones definition now - well into middle age in fact..ahem:() the instant comment came straight back that I look well, am still attractive (no wonder she's still my best friend - good rose-tinted spectacles:rotfl:) and I dont have a single line on my face (and no I dont use Botox:eek: and still got good skin.

Wishes I saw the same person when I look in the mirror as she does......but I cant be looking unhealthy then and do still often get comments about "looking well" from people. So I dont think the diet can be bad. Theres bad veggie diets -and theres also bad meat ones too.

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Anyways - what I came back to say is:
- with reference to the poster on Old Style who was querying how to get the 1p books and I replied "By sheer good luck - and asking for them just before they become popular....:cool:".

right now - Amazon has copies for just 1p (plus that postage of course) of the "Beyond Baked Beans Green" book I mentioned by Fiona Beckett.

EstherH

Hipeechiq: I'm really please about your hubbies bonus and the greenhouse. You deserve it.

Re cloned meat and supermarkets: I know I am a bit cynical, (well maybe a lot cynical), but if it is difficult for the cloning to be detected and meat wouldn't have to be labeled as cloned, couldn't the supermarkets make a big fuss and say never will we sell it, and then sell it to us on the quiet and how would we know? And it wouldn't be illegal either. Seems to me that they get a lot of publicity out of making statements that they won't sell cloned meat. Some time down the line they could sneak it in by the back door.

ancientmum

Going back a few pages to the Waitrose thing, when I was a youngmum my friend and I used to go al over the local town on a Friday morning, including the market and C0-0p (we got stamps then) and ended up in Waitrose for the treats.

I am concerned about the cloned meat because didn't Dolly the sheep die before her time due to arthritis? How would that affect her offspring if there were no variant genes introduced ? Would we be producing a race of animals suffering conditions not so visible as arthritis, and would they be suffering pain in the process?

maryb

The powers that be try to sell cloning and GM on the grounds that it will help to feed a starving world. Which it could do in theory. What actually happens is it drives down the cost of production for agribusiness and puts smaller farms out of operation because they can't afford the capital costs. And it gives big business (like Monsanto but not exclusively them) control of the food chain. Not just because poor framers can't save their seed from year to year and effectively become annual sharecroppers because they have to pay a licence each year. They have been suing organic farmers for infringement of patent because THEIR GM wheat contaminated the organic wheat on a neighbouring organic farm. You couldn't make it up!!

ChocClare

We have wheat growing in our garden. Not enough to make a loaf possibly, but growing nevertheless. Presumably it has blown in from the wheatfields over the road.

Funnily enough, DH was just saying yesterday that he was worried that the Lord of the Manor was going to take a leaf out of Monsanto's book and sue us for nicking his wheat. Like you say, you just can't make it up...

I seem to remember that fertilisers made from petro-chemicals were going to feed the world's starving. What happened there then?

lotti379

Re - organic meat, it very much depends on which certifying body the farm is affiliated with. There are general EU guidelines, but each certifying body can be a bit different. Certainly the Soil Association standards don't allow hormones to be used in livestock, unless you have a real problem and get a derogation for a particular animal. But that would be against the organic principles, so it rather depends on the producer's outlook! A lot of organic farmers are very principled and scrupulous... but one does hear some stories, not least from some of the farmers about people they've met!

hex2

rainbow, thankyou - perfect idea. OH hates pastry and bread, I need stuff for his packed lunches. crustless [STRIKE]quiche[/STRIKE] flan will be perfect. Gave some eggs to DS2s teacher this morning but still have 22 to use plus todays. Trying so hard not to waste stuff but just dont have enough time for all that I want to do.

jackieglasgow

Hippechiq, congratulations on your "windfall", although its not really a windfall if its in place of a wage increment, is it? But any money over the bare bones of your budget is always welcome, and I look forward to hearing your adventures in greenhousing

Please don't talk about children leaving home or school My youngest has gone off to cub camp for the weekend tonight and I being rather pathetic over it all. Still managing not to cry although I have teared up a few times, and I know he will have a ball - I did it with the brownies at his age, for goodness' sake, but it's different when it's your own. His big brother is off to residential week with school next week too. TMI but I have an upset stomach now through the worry of it all. I know I am being silly and its natural to worry for your children, but!!

Have a lovely weekend everyone. All this talk of GM and cloning animals is making me think again about becoming vegan. I have been vegetarian for alomst thrity years, and never felt the need for veganism until the last year or two. Especially when I consider all this faffing about with nature. But then, hasn't man always tried to beat nature, who's to say its not any worse (cloning) than selective breeding, as opposed to natural selection? I don't think there will ever be an answer to that question of the rights and wrongs of cloning, in my lifetime anyway.