Car clocking, can it be stopped?

Flyboy152

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Easier said than done I'm afraid. Central database acess as per standard mot, has to be the way to go in the future, and don't forget not all cars have full service history, something legal is required to bring things into the modern age.;)

"Brrrr Brrrr....Brrrr Brrrr, Good Morning, A Smith Cars, how can we help you?"

"Can I talk to your service department please?"

"Hello, service, how can I help you?"

"Hi, I want to confirm a service history with for a car, was it serviced on 01/05/2010?"

"Yes it was."

"Okay, thanks, goodbye."

Not that tricky, to be honest.

By the way, there are commercial organisations who keep a central database of mileages on cars.

cyclonebri1

Flyboy152 wrote: »

"Brrrr Brrrr....Brrrr Brrrr, Good Morning, A Smith Cars, how can we help you?"

"Can I talk to your service department please?"

"Hello, service, how can I help you?"

"Hi, I want to confirm a service history with for a car, was it serviced on 01/05/2010?"

"Yes it was."

"Okay, thanks, goodbye."

Not that tricky, to be honest.

By the way, there are commercial organisations who keep a central database of mileages on cars.

But wouldn't it be easier to have some official system in place???????

If the service history isn't present who would you call? Don't forget all vat reg garages service cars, who's to say sellers matey isn't on the other end of the phone. Sorry that method is flawed.
I mentioned an issue where I bought a car with falsified service history. If you new the hassle I had getting the records to prove fraud you wouldn't be so in favour or the method you propose.
Don't want to argue the point any further but the present system is wide open to mileage deception for newish cars and something could easily be done.:(:(

motorguy

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

But wouldn't it be easier to have some official system in place???????

If the service history isn't present who would you call? Don't forget all vat reg garages service cars, who's to say sellers matey isn't on the other end of the phone. Sorry that method is flawed.
I mentioned an issue where I bought a car with falsified service history. If you new the hassle I had getting the records to prove fraud you wouldn't be so in favour or the method you propose.
Don't want to argue the point any further but the present system is wide open to mileage deception for newish cars and something could easily be done.:(:(

It would also be easier to wrap everyone in cotton wool in case they trip and fall, but unfortunately costs may be prohibitive.

Ultimately there are ways and means of confirming a cars history beyond reasonable doubt. Most car ad mags give advice on doing so and TBH its not rocket science.

Even HPI checks are available on the end of a phone to private buyers for a few pounds.

If you cant validate the cars history, simply walk away.

Why burden our bureaucracy heavy civil service with even more paperwork and costs that none of us can afford, in order that 0.001% of the population dont have to think for themselves?

Flyboy152

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

But wouldn't it be easier to have some official system in place???????

If the service history isn't present who would you call? Don't forget all vat reg garages service cars, who's to say sellers matey isn't on the other end of the phone. Sorry that method is flawed.
I mentioned an issue where I bought a car with falsified service history. If you new the hassle I had getting the records to prove fraud you wouldn't be so in favour or the method you propose.
Don't want to argue the point any further but the present system is wide open to mileage deception for newish cars and something could easily be done.:(:(

If there is no service history with the car, it is de-valued accordingly.

How do you propose the "official" database collects its information?

cyclonebri1

Flyboy152 wrote: »

If there is no service history with the car, it is de-valued accordingly.

How do you propose the "official" database collects its information?[/QUOTE]


Exactly, all the more reason to forge or falsify it which is what this thread is all about, ie, increasing value illegally

Like I said in post #29 and again in a later post, I'm assuming that the vosa database has the reg entered when 1st registered, which it must have if it knows when a car is due for it's 1st test.

Look I don't want to argue for ever, and I don't have all the answers, but you must admit that the present system is less than perfect otherwise clocked cars would not even be under disscussion here? Last word from me on the subject.:beer:

whiskywhisky

Clocking cannot be stopped but cannot me minimalised by more help from the autorities and Government.

I have been looking for a White Coloured (for business purposed) used diesel vehicle for about 3months now without much luck. They are ether all high mileage, or low mileage without all the service history.

As mentioned I have been looking for 3 months and check a high number of websites everyday, on a couple of occasions I have personally seen clocked cars. A couple of months ago 1 particular car was advertised with 135k miles and now the same car is adverstied with 58k miles by a diifferent trader.

As mentioned the authorities dont seem to want to do much, I did ring trading standards and did not get anywhere apart from to having to write in.

Flyboy152

whiskywhisky wrote: »

Clocking cannot be stopped but cannot me minimalised by more help from the autorities and Government.

I have been looking for a White Coloured (for business purposed) used diesel vehicle for about 3months now without much luck. They are ether all high mileage, or low mileage without all the service history.

As mentioned I have been looking for 3 months and check a high number of websites everyday, on a couple of occasions I have personally seen clocked cars. A couple of months ago 1 particular car was advertised with 135k miles and now the same car is adverstied with 58k miles by a diifferent trader.

As mentioned the authorities dont seem to want to do much, I did ring trading standards and did not get anywhere apart from to having to write in.

In my experience these cars are normally owned by older gentlemen, who want to (mistakenly) save money on paying for metallic paint. They don't tend to do a lot of mileage and get confused with the mielage/age service schedule. They also often believe that their receipts from Halfords, for a bottle of oil, is a sufficient service history.

Kilty_2

Flyboy152 wrote: »

In my experience these cars are normally owned by older gentlemen, who want to (mistakenly) save money on paying for metallic paint.

:rotfl:

I bought a white car for this reason :eek:

whiskywhisky

Flyboy152 wrote: »

In my experience these cars are normally owned by older gentlemen, who want to (mistakenly) save money on paying for metallic paint. They don't tend to do a lot of mileage and get confused with the mielage/age service schedule. They also often believe that their receipts from Halfords, for a bottle of oil, is a sufficient service history.

I dont think so - personally think they are bought mainly by taxi drivers or via leasing companies, either way you are likely to do high mileage and the car is clocked before returned or sold.

Flyboy152

whiskywhisky wrote: »

I dont think so - personally think they are bought mainly by taxi drivers or via leasing companies, either way you are likely to do high mileage and the car is clocked before returned or sold.

Seeing as the highlighted part in my quoted post, was referring to low mileage cars, I doubt if they would have been used as a taxi or a lease car. As well as that, most lease companies charge extra for white, due to the horrendous residual values achieved on white cars.