Woman had a go at me this morning

Strider590

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

Out of interest do you know what the approx. difference in value is between a similar flat with / without a car parking space?

On a terraced house (which I guess is quite similar in this respect):

Offroad parking approximately £5'000=£10'000, or so I was told.

bigjl

lucylucky wrote: »

Is it likely the "owner" of the space will do anything about it? Stick in a metal pole for example?

The space they use is a visitor space so no actual owner, I am waiting for the written permission to come through to put in my pole.

adouglasmhor

Graham29 wrote: »

I thought you were allowed to park over a driveway as long as no car was parked on it?

You are, they're talking rot.

Flyboy152

bigjl wrote: »

The space they use is a visitor space so no actual owner, I am waiting for the written permission to come through to put in my pole.

The space has to be owned by someone, the council, the landlord, the management agents or the developers.

bigjl

adouglasmhor wrote: »

You are, they're talking rot.

Indeed, apparently you can be fined for parking in front of your own drop kerb!

melancholly

bigjl wrote: »

Indeed, apparently you can be fined for parking in front of your own drop kerb!

been there, had that fine - protested and the council told me where to go..... really really annoying!

adouglasmhor

bigjl wrote: »

Indeed, apparently you can be fined for parking in front of your own drop kerb!

Under a local bye law maybe, not in national law.

benjus wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

This document: http://www.dft.gov.uk/adobepdf/165240/244921/287508/468279/parkingenforcepolicy.pdf

Contains the following:


8.61A [FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light][FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light]Parking alongside a drooped footway etc can cause considerable inconvenience. But it can also put vulnerable road users at greater risk of being involved in a road traffic accident. Where the footway, cycle track or verge has been lowered (or the carriageway raised) to facilitate access to a premises, parking adjacent to such a location can cause considerable inconvenience to vehicles trying to enter or leave the premises. The Highway Code advises drivers "DO NOT stop or park … where the kerb has been lowered to help wheelchair users and powered mobility vehicles, in front of an entrance to a property or where you would obstruct cyclists’ use of cycle facilities ... except when forced to do so by stationary traffic."
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8.62 [FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light][FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light]The contravention does not apply to exemptions specified in the TMA, such as the emergency services, alighting, unloading, building works, road works, and the like. Nor does it apply where a vehicle is parked outside residential premises with the occupier’s consent (but it does apply if that consent has been paid for) or where the driveway is shared. These exceptions suggest that authorities should not take enforcement action where a vehicle is parked outside residential premises unless the occupier has asked the enforcement authority to do so. Authorities will need to check that the individual making such a request is entitled to do so. [/FONT][/FONT]
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This suggests to me that it is legal to block your own driveway, and that if anyone else is blocking your driveway you should lobby your local council to enforce the regulations.
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That post covered it already.

bigjl

Flyboy152 wrote: »

The space has to be owned by someone, the council, the landlord, the management agents or the developers.

There is a management company that maintains the parking areas and all the roads in the development as they have not been adopted.

As far as who owns the ground then I would suppose the freehold may be owned by the developers.

However the spaces are designated on the deeds to your property, a flat with a car parking space was £10k more, the space this knob uses is an allocated visitor space and you can't park in it for more than 12 hours, though this is obviously never checked.

When I said no owner I was obviously not saying that it is a space with no legal owner in anyway.

But, then I thought by saying it was a visitor space was enough detail for a post on an internet forum.

bigjl

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Under a local bye law maybe, not in national law.

Well I think it is unlikely that any local authority would miss out on an opportunity to make some free income. Therefore I would suspect that that every local authority would have a similar rule.

Every local authority that I know of has the same rule.

And since most of these are in Greater London I would suspect that it is in much wider use than you may think.

Well this section

"8.62 [FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light][FONT=Helvetica 45 Light,Helvetica 45 Light]The contravention does not apply to exemptions specified in the TMA, such as the emergency services, alighting, unloading, building works, road works, and the like. Nor does it apply where a vehicle is parked outside residential premises with the occupier’s consent (but it does apply if that consent has been paid for) or where the driveway is shared. These exceptions suggest that authorities should not take enforcement action where a vehicle is parked outside residential premises unless the occupier has asked the enforcement authority to do so. Authorities will need to check that the individual making such a request is entitled to do so." [/FONT][/FONT]




And the word that I have made bold would indicate that a local authority can do what they feel they think is right, as the exceptions only suggest something, which in my experience of local authorites and parking means that they will chose to ignore the suggestion and give out tickets.

The reason why this made the news down south recently was the fact that people where being ticketed outside their own home and when they appealed the ticket they had their appeals refued and the fine still had to be paid.

jjww_2

Hi my father in law lives near a large hospital and has his workvan parked in his back yard (up north you don't have driveways you have back yards lol or off street parking in estate agent speak).

A few years ago somebody parked blocking the gates to the backyard after a few days of trying to find out whos car it was he phoned the police as a last resort they came out put a ticket on the car but said it would have to be there for over 7 days before they could remove it.

After 5 days someone eventually moved the car that was 5 missed days of work for my father in law.

I always park to ensure I am not blocking gates, driveways and dropped kerbs etc. any other space is fair game in my opinion.