Csa?

FBaby

fannyanna wrote: »

It would be scandalous for the CSA to use CTC in their maintenance calculations - that would be taking money for the benefit of one child to pay towards the benefit of another.

No more outrageous than the fact the pwc is getting less for the child they have in common because of the nrpp child. The nrp should be responsible towards his own children before that of his partner. That child should have a dad and that dad is the one who should support that child.

My ex's partner has two children and they are now expecting one together. She has never worked, always relied on benefits and now on my ex's salary (and a lot of tax credits). I don't have an issue with that, their choice, and consider that my ex is as responsible towards his child to be than our two, but not the other children. If I decide to go to csa, they will deduct 25% of his salary before working out what he should pay for our children. I don't think this is right, and on that basis, I might request that CTC should be taken into account. If he wanted to only deduct 15% (for the child they will have in common), I wouldn't request CTC to be taken into account.

kelloggs36

Child Tax Credits is counted as the NRP income - WTC is either the NRP's income if they earn the most, in which case it is all counted, if their partner earns most, then none of the WTC is counted and if they both earn the same, then half the WTC is counted. I reiterate that all Child Tax Credits should be counted.

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Thanks Kelloggs I'm going to get OH to phone again today before work and ask again why they are not including ours then if they should be.....I would hate for us to get an arrears bill in a few months time and knowing the CSA it wouldn't suprise me...

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel

Ex's over time is gauranteed. he's worked for the company for 5 years and lowest he's ever brought home is £24k (his wages at the time was £15k basic, rest was OT)

I think ex purposly didnt do any over time knowing i was going to CSA - they already told him before they was reviewing that they would use last 2 months wage slips. CSA asked his work for his wage slips - this is where they got the drop in figure.

Ex's OT drops in winter BUT in summer he nearly doubles his winter wage - which is why i would like them to average it.

They havent took into account WTC BUT i think they have only recently told HMRC that ex is living there as i demanded CSA action (he's been there over a year - think atm WTC is being reviewed)

I know that 15% goes ignore BUT - he hasnt declared his true wage. He didnt do any OT for past 2 1/2 months so on that basis yes, his wage is £17k a year. BUT for every other month before and for every month no one he's doing his usual OT so will earn £29k plus this year. So it's not £7.50 a week DD is missing out on

The whole argument of this came because he was giving me £350 a month. His GF found out, she kicked off because her ex only gives her £23 a week for their child. She said "i dont see why XX should get all that when iom only getting £23!!" so ex stopped my maintaintence saying he'd "over paid" me. They havent thought it will be higher because my ex has a good job but the GF's Ex is on a low wage

shellsuit

I don't know if they will average it to be honest.

When I applied a few years ago (which didn't come of anything as the CSA were completely crap!) they used the ex's last X amount of pay slips which is just the way they work.

I only get £40 a week for 2 children which goes nowhere but that's a private agreement.

And I've just twigged you've changed your name!

mrsspendalot

Mimi_Arc_en_ciel wrote: »

I'm sorry if this is in the wrong place but . . .

My ex has a good job. Most of his earnings are through OT.

Now can some one explain this to me.

Ex lives with GF, GF has 1 child (not my ex's)

I live with BF, I have 1 child (which is ex's)

CSA has said Ex is to take £54 out of his wages for gf's child (that isnt his!!) but our child together gets £45??

How does that work out?

How can he possibly pay maintainence to a child that isnt his (he has no parental responsibility court order etc either and in no form linked to the child other than he's with the mother) and pay less for his own that he doesnt see?

As others have said, he isn't paying £54 maintenance for his gf's child, he is having £54 ignored because he will get 15% of his income allowed for that child. It is irrelevant who the father of that child is - it is a child in their household who needs to be considered. Their household tax credits will be worked out on your ex and his gf's joint income. If they go on and have a child together, then they will disregard 20% of what he earns, and you will get 15% of what is left after that.

My husband's ex also had the same problem with this when we first moved in together as I have 3 children, so he got 25% ignored before he had to pay 15% to his daughter. She too felt it unfair that he got a 'discount' for children he wasn't legally obliged to provide for. However, the amount of tax credits I had been receiving before my partner moved in went down considerably due to the effect of his income coming in to the house, so the 25% disregard for maintenance helped cushion this, if you see what I mean? My children still needed to be fed etc. and we had no choice but to claim as a couple as that is the law, so legally he was obliged to 'provide' for my children once he decided to move in with me. It's just the way the system works.

FBaby

mrsspendalot wrote: »

It is irrelevant who the father of that child is - it is a child in their household who needs to be considered. My husband's ex also had the same problem with this when we first moved in together as I have 3 children, so he got 25% ignored before he had to pay 15% to his daughter. She too felt it unfair that he got a 'discount' for children he wasn't legally obliged to provide for. However, the amount of tax credits I had been receiving before my partner moved in went down considerably due to the effect of his income coming in to the house, so the 25% disregard for maintenance helped cushion this, if you see what I mean? My children still needed to be fed etc. and we had no choice but to claim as a couple as that is the law, so legally he was obliged to 'provide' for my children once he decided to move in with me. It's just the way the system works.

I totally disagree with this. It is not because you have moved together that your partner becomes responsible financially for your children. You and their dad are responsible. You made the children, you support them, not another person just because he has decided to share his life with you, at least not at the detriment of his own flesh and blood. The tax credits you are loosing out should be made up by the fact that you will save on your bills by having one set rather than two. I have just moved in with my partner and as a result I am losing out on all my tax credits. Still I don't expect my partner to pick up the difference. If I couldn't afford to bring my kids up, I would take another job. My partner is great with my kids and if he wants to contribute, that's great, but I would never consider it an expectation. Unfortunately, my ex seems to have the same attitude than you. He doesn't give me a penny for our children, but support his partner's two boys. He considers that as I and my new partner are earning a decent salary, whereas his new partner doesn't work and never has, her children have priority over his own. Maybe if she went to work and contributed towards her own kids, he could start contributing towards his own...

mrsspendalot

FBaby wrote: »

I totally disagree with this. It is not because you have moved together that your partner becomes responsible financially for your children. You and their dad are responsible. You made the children, you support them, not another person just because he has decided to share his life with you, at least not at the detriment of his own flesh and blood. The tax credits you are loosing out should be made up by the fact that you will save on your bills by having one set rather than two. I have just moved in with my partner and as a result I am losing out on all my tax credits. Still I don't expect my partner to pick up the difference. If I couldn't afford to bring my kids up, I would take another job. My partner is great with my kids and if he wants to contribute, that's great, but I would never consider it an expectation. Unfortunately, my ex seems to have the same attitude than you. He doesn't give me a penny for our children, but support his partner's two boys. He considers that as I and my new partner are earning a decent salary, whereas his new partner doesn't work and never has, her children have priority over his own. Maybe if she went to work and contributed towards her own kids, he could start contributing towards his own...

My ex doesn't give me any money towards my children - something I am fighting CSA for now. I haven't had anything for a year, but that is a whole other story. My partner does take on some financial responsibility though, because our household expenses include my children. We have to have a bigger house, etc. and a bigger food bill. Part of the decision to move to the size of house we currently live in was to accommodate his daughter as well as my own children. Sadly, he hasn't now seen his daughter for over 18 months because his ex-wife spat out her dummy and stopped it, and we can't afford a solicitor. I earn too much for legal aid. I work btw so do provide for my own children, and currently I support my husband whilst he is a student trying to better himself so when he qualifies as a teacher he can provide more financially for his daughter, as well as my children, and the one we are expecting together this summer.

RAS

mrsspendalot wrote: »

Sadly, he hasn't now seen his daughter for over 18 months because his ex-wife spat out her dummy and stopped it, and we can't afford a solicitor.

You do not need a solicitor. Speak to lepetit who helped her OH get 50:50 care in the face of fierce opposition from the PWC.

mrsspendalot

RAS wrote: »

You do not need a solicitor. Speak to lepetit who helped her OH get 50:50 care in the face of fierce opposition from the PWC.

Thanks for the tip - we have been to a solicitor once already and had a letter sent to her. This helped for a while, but then nothing. The hardest part is whatever she has said to his parents about the situation has turned them against their own son, as they haven't been in contact with us either for the same amount of time, whereas they were in contact at least weekly beforehand. We know they still have contact with his daughter on all the weekends we should be having her. Husband is very depressed and feels completely isolated (except from having us here). It's kind of more of an issue than just trying to sort contact, but that would be a very good start. We could never manage 50:50 as we live too far away to make that practical.