We are all in this together.

ninky_2

abaxas wrote: »

Yes, there can be riots too.

which is what happens when there isn't a healthy democracy. as has been so well demonstrated recently.

bendix

abaxas wrote: »

Agreed, you can only vote on the underlying principles.

Labour - spend spend panic
Tory - frock you unless you want to work and improve yourself.
Libdems - lie lie lie and get found out if you get into power.

Brilliant. I knew there was a reason I was a tory.

bendix

ninky wrote: »

which is what happens when there isn't a healthy democracy. as has been so well demonstrated recently.

could you point us to a healthy democracy please ninky?

A healthy democracy is only possible where the subjects of that democracy are prepared to engage in that democracy in an enlightened, informed and engaged way. When they care more about the issues than they do about Katie Price's latest heartache

Sadly, that's not Britain.

Our people get the political system their sophistication ultimately deserves.

We have a Coronation Street democracy.

abaxas

ninky wrote: »

it seems some people genuinely believe anyone in the public sector is a lazy sicknote writing skiver with no proper job to do.

I've contracted many times in the public sector. That is exactly what is it like.

I was working for the NHS in bristol. For 4 days I didnt have a desk seat so couldnt work. Why? Becasue they refused all staff seats until they have been assessed for needs and trained on the operation of the seat. I finally had my training so could work, wohooo!

Then there was the local PCT. The disaster recovery and bomb guidence was too low level for any manager to do, so a secretary had to do it. 12k a year data entry person was responsible for that.

My wife works for the DWP and my life is now full of similar and worse. Currently all her staff have put random greivences in just to !!!! the management off. They know some will be made redudant/surplus, so they are going into annoy mode. What can the management do, nothing.

Welcome to the real world of public service.

Graham_Devon

Wheezy wrote: »

Because the slogan "we're all in this together" is untrue.
Recent Tory policies have clearly shown we're not all in this together, by targeting some groups in society particularly hard while leaving others untouched.
When you cut corporation tax while at the same time hiking VAT, don't tell me we're all in this together.
Furthermore, it's infantile.

Like using smileys in posters for the Big Society.

Seems you are struggling?

You've moved from insulting to infantile, and picking up on a smiley face on a poster.

If you want insulting, try politicians defrauding the tax payers. The ones behind bars now. And they only come from one party....

Sir_Humphrey

The complete failure to realise that having to work for a living is different to doing so as a career choice is what is so annoying about the whole "Big Society" agenda I think. Certainly, in my experience from Oxford is that a lot of people from a rich background simply do not realise how 95% of people live. I have in mind some left wing people as well as Tories, so this is not a left/right thing. With the odd exception (e.g. IDS) I see little sign of them trying to find out (particularly with Osborne). Losing your job when you have £30 million in the bank is not a disaster.

In the case of Lib Dems, it is that they are still acting like santimonious, smug suburbanites despite selling many of their voters down the river that is stomach-churning. Rather more amusing is that they do not realise that they would have had Labour over a barrel now had they gone for confidence and supply.

It is not that a lot of the government are posh, it is that they are ACTING like smug, out of touch poshoes is what is grating with people. In some cases they may not mean to do so but that is not really the point.

All in my personal opinion.

Thrugelmir

ninky wrote: »

slowly. and by having more people in employment and motivated to work. benefits culture was something labour should have tackled and taken seriously. don't think the condems plan is going to cut it though. so many people feel their employment being devalued and/or eradicated with these cuts. the whole public / private sector rage has been very damaging. it seems some people genuinely believe anyone in the public sector is a lazy sicknote writing skiver with no proper job to do.

Not at all. The damage is caused by the portrayl of the Public Sector Services by the those on the extreme left.

bendix

abaxas wrote: »

I've contracted many times in the public sector. That is exactly what is it like.

I was working for the NHS in bristol. For 4 days I didnt have a desk seat so couldnt work. Why? Becasue they refused all staff seats until they have been assessed for needs and trained on the operation of the seat. I finally had my training so could work, wohooo!

Then there was the local PCT. The disaster recovery and bomb guidence was too low level for any manager to do, so a secretary had to do it. 12k a year data entry person was responsible for that.

My wife works for the DWP and my life is now full of similar and worse. Currently all her staff have put random greivences in just to !!!! the management off. They know some will be made redudant/surplus, so they are going into annoy mode. What can the management do, nothing.

Welcome to the real world of public service.

LOL . . made me laugh! Or at least it would if I wasn't paying for their salaries.

Come on ninky . even you must see this sort of anecdote is just too prevalent not to be caricature.

Thrugelmir

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

It is not that a lot of the government are posh, it is that they are ACTING like smug, out of touch poshoes is what is grating with people. In some cases they may not mean to do so but that is not really the point.

All in my personal opinion.

So Tony Blair is representative of the roots of the traditional Labour Party?

Though a talented man who would have been successful what ever his choosen career.

Spartacus_Mills

ninky wrote: »

it won't. we were actually out of recession at the last election. and heading back into one now. hardly getting back on track.

That was mainly due to the government printing money though.

It cannot go on forever, in spite of what Ed Balls says.

The consequences of continuing to print and spend money you have not got is an economic meltdown like you had in the Weimar Republic or, more recently, Zimbabwe.

We were nowhere near that stage but we did not want to head along that path forever.

Do you actually think about what you say as opposed to just reading the Daily Mirror editorial and taking it for gospel ?