We are all in this together.

vicky_30

Having listened to David Camerons speech a few days ago about his so called Big Society I am wondering what other people think about this?
I have seen the Camerons on the Sunday Times rich list as having a huge fortune of 30 MILLION.
How on earth can a man with that sort of wealth stand up and say WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.
Can he really say he is in the same boat as somebody earning the minimum wage? That is if you are lucky enough to have a job these days.

lostinrates

vicky_30 wrote: »

Can he really say he is in the same boat as somebody earning the minimum wage? That is if you are lucky enough to have a job these days.

I know a lot of people feel this.

I don't. In the same way I don't think we need to be millionaires to want economic success for big business...

I don't even think its fair to say he's saying that he, and his colleagues are suggesting their lot is the same as someone in a min wage job, but rather, what is good for prosperity for the top is, or should be, good for every working person's lot.

Personally, if I had £30mil I probably would enjoy it and let someone else take the flack ATM....

Thrugelmir

So you think everyone should what attitude?

abaxas

Take you average chav and compare with a person of the same social status in Cambodia.

It's all relative.

Orpheo

We are all in this together.

bendix

abaxas wrote: »

Take you average chav and compare with a person of the same social status in Cambodia.

It's all relative.

There are no chavs in Cambodia. Except for those who, like Sibley, are have probably started to feel the pinch in Thailand and moved over there because it's cheaper.

bendix

vicky_30 wrote: »

Having listened to David Camerons speech a few days ago about his so called Big Society I am wondering what other people think about this?
I have seen the Camerons on the Sunday Times rich list as having a huge fortune of 30 MILLION.
How on earth can a man with that sort of wealth stand up and say WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.
Can he really say he is in the same boat as somebody earning the minimum wage? That is if you are lucky enough to have a job these days.

If this is the level of sophisticated political thinking of the average Brit, then I'm afraid most Brits don't deserve democracy.

This kind of thinking - "it's the toffs against us good solid folk, innit, guv, we're the salt of the earth, that's wot we are" - reminds me of the music hall comedians of the 1910s

It's all very sad.

lostinrates

bendix wrote: »

This kind of thinking - "it's the toffs against us good solid folk, innit, guv, we're the salt of the earth, that's wot we are" - reminds me of the music hall comedians of the 1910s

It's all very sad.

I do think its incredibly widespread feeling. The irony is that while people are saying ''people like that can't possibly understand us'' then the obvious inverse is that they can't understand what business needs to prosper, what successful people need to be employers.

I think, really, when pushed, people realise its not that simple...but its that reflex that guides many. Even of people who otherwise are incredibly insightful dissemination. I don't know how prejudices and got reactions of ...what? Hatred? resent? jealousy? (and indeed the inverse view) can be overcome. (pretty sure that more replies confirm them than challenge them)

bendix

lostinrates wrote: »

I think, really, when pushed, people realise its not that simple...)

You see, this is the difference between me and you LIR. You're nice. I'm not.

I think, really, when pushed, people realise they don't know their a***s from their elbows, get backed into a corner and become even more engrained in their idiotic positions because someone has had the effrontery to challenge them.

Orpheo

bendix wrote: »

You see, this is the difference between me and you LIR. You're nice. I'm not.

I think, really, when pushed, people realise they don't know their a***s from their elbows, get backed into a corner and become even more engrained in their idiotic positions because someone has had the effrontery to challenge them.

Oh yeah. You're a freakin' badass.

Graham_Devon

vicky_30 wrote: »

Having listened to David Camerons speech a few days ago about his so called Big Society I am wondering what other people think about this?
I have seen the Camerons on the Sunday Times rich list as having a huge fortune of 30 MILLION.
How on earth can a man with that sort of wealth stand up and say WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.
Can he really say he is in the same boat as somebody earning the minimum wage? That is if you are lucky enough to have a job these days.

That's not what is meant, when he says we are all in this together.

He's not saying "we are all exactly the same". He's saying we are all in this mess together, and everyone will have to do their bit.

The rich do they bit, with 50% taxes. There is an argument that they avoid taxes, but then there is the argument that right at the other end of society, people don't contribute a single penny and simply take.

There is also the argument that without the rich, the country wouldn't have the investment it need(ed) to be where it is now.

As I say, I think a lot of people confuse "we are all in this together" with "we are all exactly the same".