MSE News: Benefits shake-up to introduce Universal Credits

jamespir

flight747 wrote: »

I wish I earn £5,000 a month on benefits, I really do! I don't give a damn s*** if all of you are fit and healthy and not being deaf. Wait until you turn into 100% deafness and you will find out no ones ever give you any job cos you cannot communcation at all!

im deaf in one ear dont stop me from working i know people who are blind that have jobs


you DONT earn nowt you recieve it

eskimo26

This Government thinks it'll be around in 2 years?:rotfl:

I've never seen such a bunch of confused misfits in my life.

Employing Atos to use there faulty computer programme to throw genuine incapacitated people off EMA, seriously who floods the job market with people that will have, in all likelihood, little to no work experience, need assessing and providing for by human resources, will have terrible attendance because of sick days, who the hell in there right minds employs a LIABILITY during a god damn recession?!

Employers have the pick of the bunch !!!!!!, and lets not forget there track record with benefits reform, the BBC yesterday belatedly reported that the ESA system is on its knees and just about to collapse under its own weight.

They had a chance here to route out incapacity fakers, recognise the needs of people with chronic conditions and rework the system to support them in work, instead they've maliciously employed an attack dog to pursue the genuinely sick.

Lazy, clueless, greedy morons. Chemotherapy is for Cancer, our benefits system needs more tact, common sense and ingenuity then they've displayed so far.

these toffs have no concept of reality there to rich to understand an iota about the average persons needs. Two years my !!!! we'll see if they last beyond one, and that should be all they need to set themselves and rich friends up anyway. :mad:

ska_lover

Loanranger wrote: »

ska_lover wrote: »

You are making a great many assumptions.

It isn't helpful to portray single parents as victims of someone else's bad behaviour. Many non resident parents do accept their responsibilities and support their children, in fact the majority do this.
There are also many single parents who don't regard their former partners as " gobsh**tes" and accept their responsibilities for bringing children into the world instead of expecting as their right that the taxpayer will provide.
It is particularly galling for childless people of all ages to support benefit claimants who openly state that they prefer to stay on benefits for the sake of their children rather than to get a job. A woman stated this on Radio 4 at lunchtime.

What a load of tosh - and you really don't sound as if you are talking from experience so you do not have the right to judge a group of people who you seem to know very little about. If the majority of absentee parents actually PAID of their kids, there wouldn't be the need for the CSA would there? It is not just throwing money at the problem when bringing up kids alone, - all the money in the world would not make it an easy task.

People should NOT stay on benefits long term instead of getting a job - weather thay have kids or not, it does upset those of us that work if they are using it as a meal ticket - correct.There are always going to be the scroungers that want to stay on benefits - but you are pigeon holing a group of people here.

Its a real shame that in the year 2011 there seems to be the same old attitudes towards single parents that I faced when I was one all those years back. You wouldnt accuse a whole race group of sitting on their arris not wanting to work would you?

donny909

Am I right in recall reading that more and more jobs out there are now only part time?. If so how does that help parents on benefits go back to work when they have kids?. Surely to be better off they (or 1 parent at least) would have to be working full time 40 hours per week on the minimum wage?. Would going back to work part time even be a viable option if your a couple unemployed with a child and 1 parent highly incapable of work?.

Graham29

ska_lover wrote: »

Graham29 wrote: »

Oh yes, I totally agree, benefits should be a lifeline for a short period, a way of getting back on your feet.

I am not sure what kind of circles you mix in, but please dont insinuate that all single parents are the same as your friends. I do not know anyone who has had children after being together for a short while -i.e not married for a few years. There are break ups of marraiges after 30 years aren't there. Parents of teenagers break up after being together for decades.

I do totally agree that people should not keep getting more benefits for having more children, to get pregnant whilst on benefits is definately irresponsible.

There must a lot out there though, we have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the whole of Europe, these teens haven't been in a solid, comitted relationship for years, have they? Maybe you are older than me (I'm 29 years old) and I see plently of girls who I went to school with who now have 3/4 children and have never worked a day in their lives. I'm not assuming that all single parents are in the situation through being irresponsible, but plently are.

Nickynoo1

I am a single parent and have used Income support for short periods when needed, but generally work, atm a mature student. It can be irritating, when people refuse to work, or even look for it, for whatever reason. But if you have grown up as a second or third generation on benefits, alll the people in your street are on benefits, your parents have no aspirations, ambitions or work ethic is it any wonder these children grow up the same. They dont believe that they will do well at school, and very few believe in them also. Is it really there fault? Admitedly 1 or 2 get out and make something of themselves, but is it because of their upbringing, or in spite of it. And those that do manage to get out, after studying hard, find there are no training programmes or jobs to go to,

Nickynoo1

Graham29 wrote: »

ska_lover wrote: »

There must a lot out there though, we have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the whole of Europe, these teens haven't been in a solid, comitted relationship for years, have they? Maybe you are older than me (I'm 29 years old) and I see plently of girls who I went to school with who now have 3/4 children and have never worked a day in their lives. I'm not assuming that all single parents are in the situation through being irresponsible, but plently are.

Surely the question should be why do those that do this, do it? Why do they not have aspirations and ambition, and how can we help to give the desire to make something of themselves?

ska_lover

Graham29 wrote: »

ska_lover wrote: »

There must a lot out there though, we have one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the whole of Europe, these teens haven't been in a solid, comitted relationship for years, have they? Maybe you are older than me (I'm 29 years old) and I see plently of girls who I went to school with who now have 3/4 children and have never worked a day in their lives. I'm not assuming that all single parents are in the situation through being irresponsible, but plently are.

Hi Graham

You are quite right about teenagers - I think maybe teenagers could do with a little education about this, I feel sure that perhaps some of them do not know what they are getting themselves into deciding to have children so early.

I am older, i'm 35 now (argh!). I don't mean to single you out to have a go at you, its just the whole single parent issue means a lot to myself, as I went through it alone for a few years and know how difficult it is, plus trying to get back into work, it is a massive struggle.

Those women you went to school with who have 3/4 kids should definately be ashamed of themselves if they have never worked a day in their lives, as they have never paid a penny in to the system - and I for one cannot understand their way of thinking. After realising I was going to be 'going it alone' there is no way I would have gotton myself pregnant again as that would be foolish - I have one son. As soon as he was at school I concentrated on getting a job, and a career, which I have succesfully done, and feel sure that I after all these years, I have paid back something to society through tax from my wage, and do not feel in the least bit ashamed that I was on benefits then as there was no alternative in the situation I was in.

I honestly do not know any single parents who are irresponsible. I know two women who are currently single parents, and they both work hard in employment, and raise their children quite admirably.

It definately is'nt easy Graham, and I actually was bullied at work (in a solicitors would you believe) years back after I mentioned to one of the other women that I was a single parent at the time. There is so much prejudice it is shocking. Please believe me, single parentrs are not all bad and most do use the benefits system as a short stop gap. There are loads of people who are around late twenties, early thirties that have never worked in their lives for one reason or another.

ska_lover

Nickynoo1 wrote: »

Graham29 wrote: »

Surely the question should be why do those that do this, do it? Why do they not have aspirations and ambition, and how can we help to give the desire to make something of themselves?

I really don't know the answer. Sometimes if I see a young girl walking down the street with a pram it makes me want to scream! I would say education, but they try everything in school these days dont they, with those fake crying babies etc..and contreception seems readily availible. I really wish young girls would realise what they are getting themselves in to.

Maybe theres a lot of truth in what another poster has just said that if that is all you have ever known, it becomes the norm to you? I really dont know

no-oneknowsme

Sixer wrote: »

In any case, Universal Credit isn't being disallowed for self-employed people. It's simply saying that if you say you work 30 hours, the system will not accept a declaration of less than NMW for the hours you say you work. It's hardly draconian.

How would this would though ? Considering allowable expenses can be deducted for the self employed ?

Eg : A self employed person works 40hrs per week - if the above method is used (NMW X amount of hours worked per week , this would mean that the figure of £12,168 would be classed as the yearly earnings....

When in reality , the earnings may be a few grand less than the figure of £12,168 because of allowable expenses!

That would hardly be a fair system.