Lorrys are parking right outside my front window

hels234

I've been in a job where I was the last person lorry drivers wanted to see! Personally I found people were fine as long as you treated them nicely and with a bit of humanity. There are always those few that are prats but I've found this in all industries I've dealt with. I still think it's best to at least try to talk to people first rather than go straight to the authorities.

mikey72

mrbadexample wrote: »

Well, I'm glad that you finally agree with me.

You've failed to read my posts properly. They are all accurate. Yours, on the other hand, have been both confusing and contradictory:

So, in short, a driver can drive for 10 hours, be at work for 15 hours, and take 9 hours daily rest. Just not every day.

:whistle:

If it's makes you and the Hammy happy, I totally agree with you.
In spite of my posting the same earlier.
As you said,

"1. The daily driving time shall not exceed nine hours."

Are we agreed, or is your statement ambiguous. Or has The Hammy's brain exploded after reading the regs?

Or are you both posting from your mobiles, on the A34, with no time to stop for a break as you've only been working for 83 hours this week, or even 14 .5 hours today?
While rushing for a small cul de sac to park in for the night?

greenface

scotsman4th wrote: »

Hows the OP getting on?
Lorry still there over the weekend?

Thanks for your interest never thought this would cause so much b1tchin . Will let you know found out coach belongs to someone staying temp in flat above shops at the end of the road he brings coach home weekdays and leaves it in a compound weekend as he picks up people locally early . He wont park infront of sisis window again and he will be back in his own place next week (far away from hers)Large d/g glass van belongs to the son of a neighbour who has moved back in and although it cannot be stopped he will try to find a more considerate place to park . Large but smaller than large removals van/wagon/lorry/vehicle/truck who gives a f*ck hasnt been back since but a little letter on window will hopefully work. thanks for most of your imput here..xx

Gandalfthesecond

greenface wrote: »

Thanks for your interest never thought this would cause so much b1tchin . Will let you know found out coach belongs to someone staying temp in flat above shops at the end of the road he brings coach home weekdays and leaves it in a compound weekend as he picks up people locally early . He wont park infront of sisis window again and he will be back in his own place next week (far away from hers)Large d/g glass van belongs to the son of a neighbour who has moved back in and although it cannot be stopped he will try to find a more considerate place to park . Large but smaller than large removals van/wagon/lorry/vehicle/truck who gives a f*ck hasnt been back since but a little letter on window will hopefully work. thanks for most of your imput here..xx

So the lorry is now a coach.:rotfl:

Hammyman

mikey72 wrote: »

If it's makes you and the Hammy happy, I totally agree with you.

....now that you've read the documents posted.

In spite of my posting the same earlier.
As you said,

"1. The daily driving time shall not exceed nine hours."

Are we agreed, or is your statement ambiguous. Or has The Hammy's brain exploded after reading the regs?

The statement is not ambiguous. It is factually correct. However you're the only person who seems to think that driving is the sole task performed in the job and that driving time = working time.

And I fully understand the regs which are, in brief:

9hrs driving per day which may be extended to 10hrs twice a week and no more than 6 driving periods in any one week.
A driver must not drive more than 56hrs in any one week or 90hrs in a fortnight.
A driver must not drive any more than 4.5hrs without a break. A break can be split into two periods of a minimum of 15 minutes however the second period must be no less than 30 minutes. A break is defined as a period where the driver is free to dispose of his time as he wishes.
A driver is required to take a daily rest of 11 hrs per day which may be reduced to 9hrs three times a week. A driver can split the daily rest providing a minimum of 8hrs is taken as the last period, a total of 12hrs are taken and only rest breaks of 1hr count towards the total.
A driver is required to take a weekly rest of at least 40hrs however this may be reduced to 24hrs away from base. Any reduction in hours must be compensated for by the end of the third week however compensation may be added to a daily rest period.

In addition to to adhering to the EU Drivers rules, the WTD (mobile workers) regs which run parallel also have to be complied with:
A driver is required to take a minimum of 30 minutes break if exceeding 6hrs work.
A night time driver (any driver who works between the hours of 00:00 to 04:00) is only permitted to work a maximum of 10hrs per day unless a workplace agreement is in force. A workplace agreement can only be signed as agreed to by the drivers representatives and not management.
A driver cannot work any more than 60hrs in any one week.
A driver cannot work more than an average of 48hrs per week in a reference period of either 17 weeks or 26 weeks.
Periods of Availablility and breaks do not count towards working time.
A period of availability is defined as a period of time which is advised of or known about from previous experience where you are not carrying out work or driving but need to be available to start work upon request and cannot exceed the time that was informed, even if the duration of non working exceeds it.

As you may be able to deduce, I know them OTTOMH.

mikey72

Hammyman wrote: »

....now that you've read the documents posted.


The statement is not ambiguous. It is factually correct. However you're the only person who seems to think that driving is the sole task performed in the job and that driving time = working time.

And I fully understand the regs.

Good man.
Pull over and find a cul de sac soon.
Remember, I'm still relying on you to get all your mates parked up too.
(But not all outside the op's house please)

(Didn't read the edit, but I hope you stopped to google before you did the cut and paste.
Get that all day breakfast now. No camp fires in that cul de sac though.)

Hammyman

hels234 wrote: »

I've been in a job where I was the last person lorry drivers wanted to see! Personally I found people were fine as long as you treated them nicely and with a bit of humanity. There are always those few that are prats but I've found this in all industries I've dealt with. I still think it's best to at least try to talk to people first rather than go straight to the authorities.

Ambulance driver? Yeah, usually not good for someone involved when there's an accident involving a lorry.

mrbadexample

mikey72 wrote: »

"1. The daily driving time shall not exceed nine hours."

:wall: Oh dear. Only quote the part that suits your argument. You'll find I helpfully included the whole part of the article, which clearly states that you can drive for 10 hours:


1. The daily driving time shall not exceed nine hours.
However, the daily driving time may be extended to at most
10 hours not more than twice during the week.

Keep digging.

mrbadexample

Hammyman wrote: »

and no more than 6 driving periods in any one week.

You can actually squeeze 7 driving periods into a 6 day week, quite legally. The legislation states that a weekly rest period must be taken no later than 6 x 24 hour periods after the end of the last weekly rest, and you can get 7 in. It's not common, however.

Hammyman wrote: »

A driver can split the daily rest providing a minimum of 8hrs is taken as the last period, a total of 12hrs are taken and only rest breaks of 1hr count towards the total.

This changed in January 2007. You used to be able to split your rest into 3 periods, each at least one hour, and the last 8 (eg. 2+2+8 or 1+3+8). You can now only split the rest into two, the first of which must be 3 hours, and the second part 9 (you can take more, obviously, but only the 3+9 count). There are no longer any situations where you can take less than 9 hours (eg. multi-manning is now 9 consecutive hours rest in 30, not 8).

Hammyman wrote: »

A driver is required to take a weekly rest of at least 40hrs however this may be reduced to 24hrs away from base. Any reduction in hours must be compensated for by the end of the third week however compensation may be added to a daily rest period.

A regular weekly rest is 45 hours, not 40. It may be reduced to a minimum of 24 hours, even if you are at base. In any two week period you must have, as a minimum, one regular and one reduced weekly rest.

Hammyman wrote: »

As you may be able to deduce, I know them OTTOMH.

Time for a refresher course?

mikey72

mrbadexample wrote: »

Keep digging.

I'll leave it to you and the Hammy, you'll be fine down there together.

If you ever agree on what the job is, and what the hours are, post up again and I'll check it for you.