Impounded car problems

bigjl

Zanzibar wrote: »

Its the photo card that expires every 10 years not the license - thats valid until you are 70 or is revoked/suspended - its an important distinction as the offences are different.

Is this rubbish going to start again, your passport expires every ten years for the same reason as the photocard does, to ensure a good likeness, you are still a UK citizen when your passport expires but you can not avail yourself of the benefits of having a valid passport, such as travelling to a non EU country.

The same thing happens with your photocard licence, both are invalid due to expiry of the photocard section, both parts have to be valid, the medical right to drive (till 70) is different from your licence being valid to actually drive on the road.

That is why lots of people have kept their paper licence for as long as possible, only changing for a photocard when they move house etc. It is cheaper and less annoying with the old paper licence, but the issue is the number of people using a relatives licence, a very popular thing to do in certain parts of the UK, where they used to have a "communal" licence.

I actually missed the bit where the OP said "his friend" had a paper licence when I made my last post, but I would suspect hat the "friend" had a ban and then didn't reapply for his licence or actually has a photocard, as the first lot of photocards are needing renewed around now.

I would doubt any mistake by the DVLA would be compensated for.

And all that rubbish about the DVLA refusing to recognise who you are, what a lot of tosh, you have the proofs, do the checker service at the post office and that is that.

Too many holes in this story.

bigjl

Wig wrote: »

At what point did you decide to ignore that the OPs friend had an old paper licence not a new photo one which was 10 years old?

Read my next post.

I will admit I haven't read the entire thread, but the whole story has more holes than the titanic.

bigjl

Haven't been able to work as a bus driver of LGV driver for 7 years due to the DVLA?

Are you for real?

I can't take this thread seriously, story change every few minutes, and now you have been prevented from working by the DVLA.....................

Paradigm

sarahg1969 wrote: »

No; only the photocard expires. The licence remains valid until you turn 70, or any other such date that's specified on the licence.

Just in case anyone missed it ^^^^^^^^^^^

bigjl

If somebody repaets incorrect information twenty million times does it make it correct?

No.

As I have stated in previous threads about this, I invite anybody that thinks other wise to not renew their photocard and continue to drive as they have nothing to fear.

I will do as I suggest, and renew when I have to.

I will be happy to post about my experiences, honestly and in details, however I feel that those that think they know it all, will go for the "I read it on the internet" defence, which is well known for not working very well.


I assume that you are one of those that still believes that earth is flat? After all, historically many where sure this to be true, until they were proved very wrong that is.

Parva

Wig wrote: »

Fact: There is no fee for a change of address with an old style license

I do indeed apologise for my misinformation. I don't know what buttons I pressed last time when attempting to change address on my old paper licence to the new photocard one but they were obviously wrong. I have this earlier tonight redone the process and there was indeed no charge (well not yet anyway).

Apologies for derailing the thread and hands up where I got it wrong.

Paradigm

bigjl wrote: »

As mikey72 correctly stated, your phoecard licence expires every twn years and you can't drive till you renew the photocard.

Wrong! Taken from http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/NeedANewOrUpdatedLicence/DG_078070

Driving before your licence is returned



You can drive before you get your licence as long as you:

• have held a Great Britain or Northern Ireland licence issued since 1 January 1976 or another exchangeable licence
• are not disqualified from driving
• haven't been refused a licence for medical reasons or for failing to comply with medical enquiries
• wouldn't be refused a licence for medical reasons - if in doubt, check with your doctor
• keep to any special conditions that apply to your licence

As he had sent his licence off he was perfectly entitled to drive.

bigjl wrote: »

The same thing happens with your photocard licence, both are invalid due to expiry of the photocard section, both parts have to be valid, the medical right to drive (till 70) is different from your licence being valid to actually drive on the road.

Wrong! Section 99 RTA states....

1) In so far as a licence authorises its holder to drive motor vehicles of classes other than any prescribed class of goods vehicle or any prescribed class of passenger-carrying vehicle, it shall, unless previously revoked or surrendered, remain in force, subject to subsection (2) below—

(a) except in a case falling within paragraph (b) or © of this subsection, for the period ending on the seventieth anniversary of the applicant’s date of birth or for a period of three years, whichever is the longer,

(b) except in a case falling within paragraph © of this subsection, if the Secretary of State so determines in the case of a licence to be granted to a person appearing to him to be suffering from a relevant or prospective disability, for such period of not more than three years and not less than one year as the Secretary of State may determine, and

© in the case of a licence granted in exchange for a subsisting licence and in pursuance of an application requesting a licence for the period authorised by this paragraph, for a period equal to the remainder of that for which the subsisting licence was granted

The bits in bold are important! No mention there of a 10 year expiry period & quite rightly as it's the photo that's expired not the licence or the entitlement to drive!

The only time a car driving licence can "expire" is when you reach 70 years of age.

Unless there's something we haven't been told this car was seized under s165 RTA wrongly & either the Police or DVLA (or both) have made a major c0ckup.

Paradigm

bigjl wrote: »

If somebody repaets incorrect information twenty million times does it make it correct?

No.

So why keep doing it?

bigjl wrote: »

As I have stated in previous threads about this, I invite anybody that thinks other wise to not renew their photocard and continue to drive as they have nothing to fear.

I can't see anyone suggesting it's wise not to renew!

Clearly it's an offence not to...

Drivers who do not comply may have
committed an offence under section
99(5) of the Road Traffic Act 1988
non-surrender of licence – section
99(2A) and are eligible to face a
penalty (maximum £1,000 fine)

However the offence committed above isn't "driving otherwise than in accordance with a driving licence" like you seem to think & it's also non endorsable!

bigjl wrote: »

however I feel that those that think they know it all,

I think the words "pot" & "kettle" fit nicely here!

bigjl wrote: »

will go for the "I read it on the internet" defence, which is well known for not working very well.

I assume that you are one of those that still believes that earth is flat? After all, historically many where sure this to be true, until they were proved very wrong that is.

I know the Earth isn't flat... I saw it on t'internt

spiro

Two quotes from a DVLA newsletter:

The first photos on photocard driving licences will expire in July 2008. The licence holder must renew their licence before their current licence expires. Failure to do so may result in a fine of up to £1000.

Legislation states that photos on the licence are valid for 10 years. Therefore, the first photos on photocard driving licences will start
to expire in July 2008. Drivers who do not comply may have committed an offence under section 99(5) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 non-surrender of licence – section 99(2A) and are eligible to face a penalty (maximum £1,000 fine) for not surrendering their licence.

Gene_Hunt_2

bigjl wrote: »

If somebody repaets incorrect information twenty million times does it make it correct?

No.

As I have stated in previous threads about this, I invite anybody that thinks other wise to not renew their photocard and continue to drive as they have nothing to fear.

I will do as I suggest, and renew when I have to.

I will be happy to post about my experiences, honestly and in details, however I feel that those that think they know it all, will go for the "I read it on the internet" defence, which is well known for not working very well.


I assume that you are one of those that still believes that earth is flat? After all, historically many where sure this to be true, until they were proved very wrong that is.

You have form for that.