Speeding Fine

pendulum

roddydogs wrote: »

Told you..................

No. You said someone would deny it was possible to get a ticket for 32mph. Nobody did that.

Interesting debating strategy... Stating an opinion then saying "Please don't disagree with what I say 'cos I'm right (Bet someone does)", then claiming victory in the debate when someone merely adds their slightly different opinion to what you said... :rotfl:

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Any police officer will give a speeding ticket for thirty-two miles per hours, if they observe a car being driven at inappropriate speeds, for example, along a narrow residential street.

When similar has come up on the 5ive-o forums, serving police have indicated they would book the car for careless/inconsiderate driving if driving was very bad, or just follow it for a while until it breaks the limit by a bigger margin or commits another offence.

They don't want to be in court having to explain why they booked a car at 32mph in a 30, with the defendant saying "the copper had it in for me, that's why he's booked me at just 2mph over the limit" or that he "must have made a mistake - easily made when we're talking just 2mph over the limit". It would raise eyebrows being prosecuted for that kind of speed as it so rarely happens.

mchale

OP, did you receive the NIP within 14 days of the offence?

Flyboy152

Lum wrote: »

In theory this is true. In practice once the car has left the factory, the speedo is never checked or calibrated again.

But this is not a valid defence for speeding and is not the reason for the ACPO guidelines. The police's equipment is calibrated correctly (theoretically), therefore if their equipment indicates your speed at 30 mph, your speedometer is allowed to indicate a speed of 33mph. Not 27mph.

None of this is a valid defence against speeding of course, just warning that it can happen. If in doubt, check your speedo by comparing it to a GPS while on a long straight flat road doing a constant speed.

Agian, another fallacy, GPS is not sensitive enough to show an accurate speed. It calculates a distance over a set time, it also dose not calculate vertical speed, nor speed on a curve, it only calculates straight line, flat speed.

Lum

Flyboy152 wrote: »

But this is not a valid defence for speeding and is not the reason for the ACPO guidelines. The police's equipment is calibrated correctly (theoretically), therefore if their equipment indicates your speed at 30 mph, your speedometer is allowed to indicate a speed of 33mph. Not 27mph.

I never said it was a valid defence for speeding, quite the opposite. Nor did I claim it was the reason for the ACPO guideline. The ACPO guideline is there to stop people challenging the accuracy of their equipment.

Agian, another fallacy, GPS is not sensitive enough to show an accurate speed. It calculates a distance over a set time, it also dose not calculate vertical speed, nor speed on a curve, it only calculates straight line, flat speed.

Hence why I stated that you must do it on a long straight flat road at a constant speed. In this set of circumstances, over a sufficient distance, GPS is just fine, since the inaccuracy in GPS is constant for any given area and thus only affects calculation of position, not calculation of speed.

I should probably have added the requirement for a clear view of the sky, however. It doesn't work if the road you choose is in Glasgow city centre.

Oh, and some GPS units are quite capable of measuring elevation, and thus taking vertical speed into account. Most consumer ones don't bother though.

jase1

So, we now have police officers hiding on the boundary between NSL and 30 catching people slowing down and slightly mistiming things.

<Awaits the inevitable rear-end shunt as someone notices camera at the last second with amused interest>

It's times like this that I am grateful I live in a more enlightened police authority area (Durham) -- I saw someone being pulled for no brake lights and bald tyres the other day. Wonders will never cease.

roddydogs

pendulum wrote: »

You can. But it is basically unheard of. People tend to play down the speed that they got caught at. A lot of people say they got caught at 31mph, 32mph, 33mph but after questioning they admit it was "... or something like that" ! Don't always believe what people tell you.

It was a speed camera with the MPH shown on the ticket.

Happychappy

pmm1981 wrote: »

This can't be correct as in S.Yorks the mobile cameras are set to 'catch' motorists doing speed limit +10%+4mph, there for in a 30 mph zone the slowest you will get ticketed for is 37 mph, and yes S.Yorks do participate in the speed awareness course.

I got caught doing 37 mph by Humberside police and got 3 points and £60, someone else i know was doing over 40 in a 30 and got a speed awareness course for £80 and no points.

There are too many roads where speed limits go from national speed limit to 40 or 30 without any warning prior to the commencement signs, there should be a minimum of 100 metres notice per 10 mph drop so 70mph to 30 mph would give you 400 metres notice to slow down.

Try using the round coloured things set to either side of your nose? some people have blue, some brown and some never use them, however, once you get used to using them, you can see speed and direction signs, speed vans, birds, wildlife and all things bright and beautiful :rotfl: dont like your idea of erecting more and more expensive road signs for the visually impaired

Happychappy

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Any police officer will give a speeding ticket for thirty-two miles per hours, if they observe a car being driven at inappropriate speeds, for example, along a narrow residential street.

No they wont, they will consider due care or dangerous, but wouldn't issue a speeding ticket, I have 30 years experience of dealing with inappropriate speed and dealt with the relatives of many experts on how safe they thought they were ?

fivetide

Flyboy152 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with speedometer inaccuracies. Speedometers are only allowed to overread by ten per cent, not underread.

Did I say they were?

The point is, as you have gone on the say again (and as I already said) that someone clocked at 35mph was more than likely seeing nearly 40 on the speedo.

They are inaccurate. That's a fact.

Edit to add: The ACPO Guidelines stated aims are Consistency and Transparency so dealing with a wide range of inaccurate speedos is an issue. By setting some limits, motorists know they have really been caught 'bang to rights' as it were so speedo inaccuracy is a factor.

5t.

Flyboy152

fivetide wrote: »

Did I say they were?

The point is, as you have gone on the say again (and as I already said) that someone clocked at 35mph was more than likely seeing nearly 40 on the speedo.

They are inaccurate. That's a fact.

5t.

The ACPO guidelines are not there to take account of speedometer inaccuracies. If the radar gun indicates a speed of thirty miles per hour, that means the car is travelling at thirty miles per hour; not twenty-seven and not thirty-three. If the car is travelling at thirty miles per hour, the speedometer is not allowed to indicate a speed of twenty-seven miles per hour. If we include the ACPO guidelines, if the inaccuracies were allowed, it would mean that you would be allowed to perceive your indicated speed as much as forty miles per hour on your speedometer, or consider your indicated speed of thirty-five miles per hour being legal, but allowed to travel at forty miles per hour.