MSE News: Wheel clamping ban moves closer

taffy056

So if the registered keeper is responsible for the charge, hire a car and park where you want, it's okay avis / hertz et al are at fault

trisontana

If it's just contract, then the PPCs will fall foul of the various laws dealing with unfair contact and unfair terms and conditions if they try and demand unreasonable amounts for breaking their rules.

Flyboy152

taffy056 wrote: »

So if the registered keeper is responsible for the charge, hire a car and park where you want, it's okay avis / hertz et al are at fault

Why would anyone want to do that? Why would one want to hire a car just to park where they want? Sounds a bit of a fruitless exercise to me.

taffy056

Well the registered keeper thing is pure rubbish in any case, they would still need to take everyone who ignores the invoice to the small claims, it's just not going to happen as the PPCs would bankrupt themselves trying.

trisontana

taffy056 wrote: »

Well the registered keeper thing is pure rubbish in any case, they would still need to take everyone who ignores the invoice to the small claims, it's just not going to happen as the PPCs would bankrupt themselves trying.

I agree. How they can ever prove that the RK (who may not have been present when the car was parked) had agreed to the so-called contract, when they were never there to read the T&Cs posted up in the car-park.

What should have been included in that bill is legislation to stop PPCs and DCA being "economical with the truth". These include implying certain procedures (such as Norwich Pharma and "civil disclosure 3.16) can be used in the small claims court, that CCJs and bailiffs will materialise without the case going to court, and one I highlighted yesterday in the letters sticky, where a PPC is threatening to come to somebody's house and clamp their car because of an unpaid parking ticket.

If the BPA wants the private parking industry to become respectable, then it must stop its members telling lies.

taffy056

trisontana wrote: »

If the BPA wants the private parking industry to become respectable, then it must stop its members telling lies.

Thing is as well as lies , they should stop them breaking the law, and threatening scenarios that would be illegal also, how the government feels these people would suddenly clean up their act is beyond me, they tried self regulation with the clamping scumbags, and that didn't work!

Coupon-mad

What amuses me is the requirement for a ticket to be put on a car at the time. No-one seems to be kicking and screaming about that little gem yet it will mean the end of the road for ANPR on private land!

The whole thing is ridiculous, just needs a nice early Small Claim where the registered keeper points out to the judge that there's no contract with him/her as they weren't there.

torontoboy45

Coupon-mad wrote: »

What amuses me is the requirement for a ticket to be put on a car at the time. No-one seems to be kicking and screaming about that little gem yet it will mean the end of the road for ANPR on private land!

The whole thing is ridiculous, just needs a nice early Small Claim where the registered keeper points out to the judge that there's no contract with him/her as they weren't there.

the demise of ANPR (private) isn't good news for the PPC's but I come over all warm at the thought of the £1000's 'invested' in these soon-to-be redundant gadgets.

I'm a bit iffy about RK liability, though. is it feasible that a judge could take the view 'be careful who you let drive yr car, sir'?

I'm only asking.

trisontana

torontoboy45 wrote: »

the demise of ANPR (private) isn't good news for the PPC's but I come over all warm at the thought of the £1000's 'invested' in these soon-to-be redundant gadgets.

I'm a bit iffy about RK liability, though. is it feasible that a judge could take the view 'be careful who you let drive yr car, sir'?

I'm only asking.

In criminal cases yes, but a civil case. I doubt it.

Let's suppose you lend a chain-saw to a friend and he injures a member of the public while cutting his hedge. That person then sues your friend for damages, but I doubt if they could sue the owner of the chain-saw.

peter_the_piper

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