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Natural History Museum security
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For you perhaps, not it would seem for the rest of us.
Sorry to have to agree with CWC but the article being referred to does not say that they knife was illegal because of the serated edge. It quite clearly says:I must point out that the law is clear: it is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed, except for a folding pocket knife which has a cutting edge to its blade not exceeding three inches.The knife is illegal and has a serrated edge.
not because.
That being said I think that there is clearly something wrong with the law if it is not illegal to carry knives like CWC does.Wedding 5th September 20150 -
From your link........
"The vehicle was searched for a weapon and a Buck Whittaker lock knife was found. The knife is illegal and has a serrated edge."
The knife is illegal because it has a locking blade that is over three inches, not because of the serrations on the blade. If that is what the Superintendent said then it is not the best explanation he could have given.It must be accepted as a principle that the rifle cannot replace the speed of the horse, the magnetism of the charge and the terror of cold steel.
The British Cavalry Manual 1907.0 -
Have you even read that which you are posting?
You may carry a knife in public if there is legal authority or good reason.
Knives with non-locking blades that can fold into the handle (e.g. Swiss Army Knife) are not illegal to carry in public as long as the blade is shorter than three inches.
Also I would suggest the site from which you are quoting has made a few factual mistakes. I carry several knives with me on a daily basis, all are legal.
I would presume that the picture you showed above is not to scale.
If you measure the length of the blade and the length of the shaft, the bottom one especially is approx 2.75''. Therefore if it was to scale, that would make the blade over 3'' therefore illegal as you state.
My problem I have with you is that you have not admitted that you are perhaps in the wrong with carrying a knife. With a responsible position that you are in, you should be making an example. If they are divers knives which has been suggested, then why are they not kept with your dive gear. You have no reason to be carrying them around in public, especially entering a museum.
I feel that if you saw someone out whilst on duty carrying exactly the same knives as you, you would ask them why. If they just come out with what you would have said '' I need them to cut things'' I am pretty sure that you wouldn't accept that argument. Therefore why is there one rule for you, and another for everyone else?
I cannot accept that you , because you are in the force, will not be prone to some kind of mental trauma and you have a weapon right by your side extrmem I know, and I am not having a pop at you, but it has happened in the past, Why put yourself in that position?. If you say you are normal level headed, then that is the same argument that Derek Bird could have used, after he shot everyone in Cumbria, as he had passed all the police checks for legally having shotguns in his possesion0 -
No1, I think you need to read the police statement again.
It was stated that the knife was illegal and it had a serrated edge. It did not state that it was illegal because of the serrated edge.
The reason for it being illegal was due to it being a lock knife.0 -
rustyboy21 wrote: »I would presume that the picture you showed above is not to scale.
Er, that would depend on the size of your monitor...0 -
cybergibbons wrote: »Last time I checked, they recommend that on-duty officers only carry a knife if issued with them. When off-duty, officers should seriously consider the implications of carrying any knife.
There have been plenty of cases in the last 10 years of the police arresting and then releasing people due to a misunderstanding in knife law. Say the guard at the museum found the knives, believed them to be illegal, called the local police, who in turn arrested you. Wouldn't look so good, would it, even if you were in the right?
What is the reasoning behind carrying several knives anyway?
He has already given his excuse.
That is '' To Cut things''
Reasoned argument?0 -
cybergibbons wrote: »Last time I checked, they recommend that on-duty officers only carry a knife if issued with them. When off-duty, officers should seriously consider the implications of carrying any knife.
There have been plenty of cases in the last 10 years of the police arresting and then releasing people due to a misunderstanding in knife law. Say the guard at the museum found the knives, believed them to be illegal, called the local police, who in turn arrested you. Wouldn't look so good, would it, even if you were in the right?
What is the reasoning behind carrying several knives anyway?
The knife I carry on duty is very different to the one I carry off duty. I am not in the Met so thankfully do not have to follow their recommendation.
If the museum guard had seen the knife and told me it was illegal I would have informed him it wasn't, he is free to call the police if he so wishes but that doesn't change the legality of the possession of it. I would happily show my warrant card to him and explain that it is legal, same with any responding officers.
What is the reason? The one in my bag forms part of my first aid kit, and I have one in my pocket for cutting things day to day.It must be accepted as a principle that the rifle cannot replace the speed of the horse, the magnetism of the charge and the terror of cold steel.
The British Cavalry Manual 1907.0 -
You are doing a pretty poor PR job for the police at the moment!
On the contrary.
He's responding in a calm and considered manner about a subject on which he is clearly an expert in the face of a barrage of comments from certain people who are lacking in their grasp of both legal facts and elementary logic.There are two types of people in the world: Those that can extrapolate information.0 -
The knife is illegal because it has a locking blade that is over three inches, not because of the serrations on the blade. If that is what the Superintendent said then it is not the best explanation he could have given.
Fair enough, but I do know this. If I were to be stopped/searched for any reason and found to be in possession of the knives you claim to routinely carry then I'm more than confident on what would happen to me.0 -
On the contrary.
He's responding in a calm and considered manner about a subject on which he is clearly an expert in the face of a barrage of comments from certain people who are lacking in their grasp of both legal facts and elementary logic.
On the contrary, whilst his facts are correct he is responding in a rude and arrogant manner.Wedding 5th September 20150
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