Interview for a job where no salary was stated?

ceridwen

dmg24 wrote: »

Tax and NI payments are not a savings fund!

As said before, soon enough you will not have a choice as to what jobs you can apply for. I am also intrigued as to what you intend to do with the dog when you have to attend compulsory JCP courses!

I certainly viewed my tax and N.I. payments as a form of "savings" as you would put it - which I was withdrawing in unemployment benefit when I needed to (ie because I was unemployed). Even on my low income level - I've personally paid in a lot more than I've taken out over the course of my life and the System is well "in profit" because of the amount of tax etc taken from me.

So - I imagine O.P. has much the same set of criteria in her mind as I do in mine - which is:
- I'll never take any money for children (not having any)
- I'll only ever take a very small amount for healthcare

= they are well in profit from me - even with my having had to have benefit money for a while. Obviously anyone who was taking out a lot of child benefit, etc type money in the course of their lives or anticipated the NHS spending a lot on healthcare for them would have to consider more carefully whether they were likely to "pay their way" over the course of their lifetime.

ceridwen

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

:shocked:

Im amazed by your attitude. The only thing i understand is that your more worried about your dog then you are getting back into work.Its this sort of attitude that anhnoys me - your holding out for what you think your worth - how long have you been unemployed for now? And how many jobs at your old rate have you been applying for? And how many of them have you got?

thats what your worth in the present market and the longer you have big unemployed gaps on your CV the more your industry will have moved on and then your skills will never be worth what you think they are so the cycle will continue.And i say that as an employer myself.

In my opinion by taking a job that will afford you your bills and keep a roof over your head says so much more about you then just holding on for something you want.

Im sorry for being harsh here but its true.

I understand where O.P. is coming from on this. Its a bit of a judgement call as to how long to "hold out" for one's own salary level if one becomes unemployed. I have always been on rather low salary than O.P. presumably normally earns - but I too had to make that judgement call when I've been unemployed before now. I've certainly had to turn down a couple of jobs I was offered because I found out they paid less than my salary level and hold out for a while longer....

By holding out - I managed to get nearer to MY level of pay. I believe O.P. said she's been unemployed 2 months - then I think there is still "room" for holding out a bit longer yet. I too feared that if I accepted a lower salary than MY level that I would find employers thinking I had lowered the salary level I was prepared to accept/would expect and I might never get back to MY level again.

Everyone who earns more than NMW has to work out exactly what the judgement call time is after which they would have to take a lower-paid job but keep searching for one at THEIR level.

grumpyoldwoman41

Thanks for more posts, very much appreciated

Ceridwen, re Tax/NIN... I do have a daughter who is 21 this year (Law student at Uni at the moment) but never had anything more than the ChB for her.

As to NHS - believe it or not but I actually go abroad for any treatment I need rather than go through endless GP appointments here when all needs to be treated with Paracetamol and you are only referred to a specialist when you are almost dead.... The healthcare is cheaper/much more efficient etc where I originally came from to Uk 20 years ago or so

Right now my daughter is abroad as she had some issues that were not diagnosed here despite seeing several specialists (I was working in a healthcare related field for years as a trainer so knew most of the local medical consultanmts - still she was not diagnosed. Abroad she was diagnosed within a single visit and now gone back for treatment with together with a plane fare (Ryanair) is really nothing when health is concerned)

The reason I am writing this is... I did not even use the free NHS so.....

grumpyoldwoman41

SueC - the salary was "exceeding NMW" on on JC+ advert but today when I got a notification about having 2 (not one) interviews, full JDs were included and there is states something else.. "competitive" is the word and I much prefer "competitive" than "above NMW"

So yes, fingers crossed...

Now I can not wait for next week

diable

grumpyoldwoman41 wrote: »

Thanks for more posts, very much appreciated

Ceridwen, re Tax/NIN... I do have a daughter who is 21 this year (Law student at Uni at the moment) but never had anything more than the ChB for her.

As to NHS - believe it or not but I actually go abroad for any treatment I need rather than go through endless GP appointments here when all needs to be treated with Paracetamol and you are only referred to a specialist when you are almost dead.... The healthcare is cheaper/much more efficient etc where I originally came from to Uk 20 years ago or so

Right now my daughter is abroad as she had some issues that were not diagnosed here despite seeing several specialists (I was working in a healthcare related field for years as a trainer so knew most of the local medical consultanmts - still she was not diagnosed. Abroad she was diagnosed within a single visit and now gone back for treatment with together with a plane fare (Ryanair) is really nothing when health is concerned)

The reason I am writing this is... I did not even use the free NHS so.....

Where abroad?

grumpyoldwoman41

I rather not say

fred7777

In answer to your original email - I don't think you can.

I've been in a similar situation several times in the past few years attending interviews for which a salary wasn't stated. I'm sure I "missed out" on a few jobs because I wanted too much. I don't know why HR aren't up front about salary as it's their time and money they are wasting.

grumpyoldwoman41

A little update - interview was very erm.. intense to put it mildly.

Fantastic job, great people, amazing location/offices....

Will know next week what the outcome is - fingers crossed.

Still have no idea what the salary is though LOL

ceridwen

They ARE keeping their cards close to their chest arent they!

Well - obviously no-one can start work in a job until they've had the salary confirmed in a letter. So - I guess they will just HAVE to say what the salary is at last in any letter offering you the job?

In the circumstances though - you'd better work out some way to worm the information out of them if they STILL don't say (ie before accepting the job).

Don't want to find yourself in the position where you've accepted and started work in a job that obviously is due to pay, say, £30k pa and then find them handing you a letter confirming "we are pleased to have you on board - and the salary is £20k pa"...:eek:

...or even worse to find a visibly £30k pa job is only paying £15k pa:eek::eek::eek:

(and work out how to deal with the Jobcentre if you get offered it - but find out it doesnt pay enough to take it...).

grumpyoldwoman41

Ceridwen - thanks for posting...

I may be in a situation where:

1) I am not offered the job
2) I am offered the job and the money is no good
3) I am offered the job and the money is right

I like the option number 3 - it is visibly much more than 30k job but...

... but I have a feeling it will be 1 or 2...