New House Misery

pulliptears

SingleSue wrote: »

Being an owner occupier does not you a better person.
Being a social housing tenant does not make you a bad person.

There are good and bad in both.

Also, how do you define class? Is it by birth, upbringing, class of owning, values...what?

Only ask as I have very middle class values, was born into a middle class family, my children have been raised with the same values but we live in social housing (but haven't always, we were burnt very badly by the housing market in the 90's recession).

Of course Sue, you realise that to some of the bigots here this makes you a benefit claiming jobless waster with asbo children don't you?

Circumstances define us all, and as you say, and I have tried to illustrate there are good and bad in both. But for some they will always believe what they hear about HA tenants because its so much easier than opening their small minds to any other possibility.

PasturesNew

I'd not want to be the shitz hu - surrounded on both sides by 3 gangs of bigger dogs frightening me all day.

evoke

pulliptears wrote: »

But for some they will always believe what they hear about HA tenants because its so much easier than opening their small minds to any other possibility.

You keep convincing yourself that this is true. In today's politically-correct society where 'everyone is equal' under Blair's social engineering experiment, everyone is good and bad in equal measure and we can sing happy-clappy songs with incredible disingenuity.

You're quoting exceptions but they simply don't prove the rule. On the whole, chavs commit more crimes. It's as simple as that. They are also leeches on society as they are likely to be benefits scroungers.

As for drugs: the middle-class won't mug your granny for drugs money. Chavs will. And they'll burn your car down if you 'look at them in a funny way'.

mbga9pgf

I would say personal values are the key variable in the class equation. Its also the most important when it comes to whether I see someone as a "good egg" or not.

Dont like it? Tough. Life is like that. Perhaps if we didnt wrap people up in cotton wool, unacceptable or lacking values would be stigmatized socially, especially amongst the classes that suffer the most. I dont like bullies, and it seems those of the lower classes are dominated by them.

I would like to help, but unfortunately the bullies in these areas are protected by too many left wing ideals and excuses as to their behaviour and values. If these scum had all their rights pulled, as part of their asbo, effectively becoming "marked people" falling outside of the protection of the law, personally I dont see that being a bad thing. You could also have differing gradings depending on the level of the ASBO.

Fiddlestick

mostlycheerful wrote: »

“Cook yourself a bacon sandwich each morning. Poor the leftover oil from the pan on the dog mess. Dog cleans up after it's self”

I'm mentally torn between saying "Eww, that's utterly digsusting" and "Ooh that's pretty smart"

jenhug

i own my own home, next door is HA and is lovely, a star of a neighbour, 2 doors down also own, and are a**eholes. Just because they are not able to buy doesn't make them bad people.

Incyder

Here is a pic of a shih-tzu just in case any readers do not know what one looks like.




Here are some pics of chavs just in case any readers do not know what they look like.

SingleSue

evoke wrote: »

As for drugs: the middle-class won't mug your granny for drugs money. Chavs will. And they'll burn your car down if you 'look at them in a funny way'.

No, they will just nick your milk from your doorstep, steal the newspapers from your letter box and nick tools from your garden shed to do so.....(the drug addicted middle class that is - which obviously, is not all of them!)

As happened to us in our very middle class owner occupied housing development.

You just cannot class people by the house they live in, there are good and bad in every walk of life, be that upper class or lower class.

FATBALLZ

SingleSue wrote: »

Being an owner occupier does not you a better person.
Being a social housing tenant does not make you a bad person.

There are good and bad in both.

When I moved out of home I moved to a development of flats. The block next to ours was designated for DSS. It may have been coincidence that when the DSS people moved in we started getting food and even !!!!!! smeared in the communal areas, on the stairs, and the air fresheners got nicked, along with peoples phones (once through an open window) and even a motorbike.

The next place I lived was in a rented house in a part of town where everybody else was an owner occupier. Never had a problem, it was a lovely place to live.

Where I live now is a block of flats, but on a nice estate of owner occupiers. We've only ever one had one problem neighbour - who had screaming rows with her bf (including screaming so the whole block, including her child could hear "go and tell your son you don't love him"). She also had a fight out in the corridor in her underwear, and we had the police banging on all the doors more than once at gone midnight because she'd called them on her bf. Thankfully she left some time ago. Guess what? She was the only DSS tenant on our whole road.

Suggesting that the number of social tenants has no impact on the quality of a neighbourhood is laughable.

WHITEVANMAN

SingleSue wrote: »

No, they will just nick your milk from your doorstep, steal the newspapers from your letter box and nick tools from your garden shed to do so.....(the drug addicted middle class that is - which obviously, is not all of them!)

As happened to us in our very middle class owner occupied housing development.

You just cannot class people by the house they live in, there are good and bad in every walk of life, be that upper class or lower class.

On the estate my sister lives on, sheds are broken into on a very regular basis, anything not bolted down (and sometimes even if it is) in your front garden will go missing.
Dustbins are regularly firebombed, early morning parties often end in street brawls, park outside on the street overnight and the best you can expect is to have your car keyed, and expect your cat to be regulaly attacked.
Its approximately a 50/50 ratio of private v HA and many of her neighbours from both parties are very very nice people.
There are however a lot of those who choose not to work, a good majority of them have teenagers with at least 1 or 2 kids, who somehow seem to attract the wanna be gangsta's who want to get in the middle of every little petty argument, someone will make an abstract facebook comment and the next thing you know someone will be around kicking down doors to have it out.

So while I understand not all tennants are chav tastic, i can understand where the OP is coming from with feelings she has about what can happen.
I judge every individual on how they present, but given a choice I will not be looking to buy a house close to my sister anytime soon.