New House Misery

Lori007

OK - going right back to the beginning and the OP question - I do symphathise with you - I have one dog but she only ever barks if there is something to be concerned about however, the couple to the back of us who moved in recently - the parties going on to 4.00 in the morning made us very aware - suddenly acquired a dog after a few months living there which was subsequently left in the garden on an extremely hot August day, tied up to the washing line with no water and no shelter. I contacted the Local Authority since the dog was barking from 8.00 a.m. until approx 5.00 pm non stop and was obviously in distress. The LA didn't want to know so contacted the RSPCA who eventually visited after 3 days - by then my husband and the neighbours were seriously considering getting into the garden and putting some sort of cover and bowl of water out - the RSPCA checked the dog over (who seemed fine apparently) and when they voiced their concerns the response was "we know our rights, you have no proof - get lost" - or words to that effect. Anyway, since the visit the dog is no longer left outside all day so it did work - that was last August. It can be very distressing - my neighbour the other side has a seriously ill wife with MS and he couldn't even take her into the garden in her wheelchair for some sun and peace. As for HA I have lived by good and bad - in our previous house they built some gorgeous flats in the field opposite us, we had lived there for around 10 years by then with no probs, within 6 months every single house in the street had been either broken into or attempted, my neighbour even caught one chap halfway in the kitchen window at 3.00 in the morning! The Police advised that the HA then had given priority to a certain number of people who had not paid their rent in previous Council Flats and had been rehoused (this was over 12 years ago so things have probably changed since then), this lovely bunch of people started building fires in the subway nearby, leaving shringes in the childrens playing area and terrorising the area. We subsequently moved out - for lots of reasons but this was one of them - and since then the people who were causing the problems have moved on again and it is now being lived in by people who work for the RAF and has gone back to being a lovely place to live. Would also point out that I have some friends who live next to HA and have never experienced problem but also know people who live in them and are extremely proud that they are able to step onto the market, love their place and only want to buy out the whole place and stay there.

JuniorSherlock

Then you need to give the young people something to aim for. Taking away grants that enable them to stay on at school is wrong, local councils cutting funding for services that help get them out of the benefits trap is wrong. Bring back apprenticeships, do more work experience courses at school, offer employers incentives to give young people jobs. I also think that social services need to listen more to Dr Barnardo when he said that instead of making so much effort in keeping children in abusive homes, social services should not be afraid to take children out of abusive homes.

When you see the kids turn up at our local school with no coats in the middle of winter, with bruises, ill-fitting shoes, crisps for lunch, hair full of lice and unwashed clothes you just want to cry. Yet when the school sends a report to social services, nothing is heard of and the child continues to live much as before. What future do these kids have? They are the kids who grow up to be 'slappers' and can you really blame them?

Make parenting skills classes obligatory if parents want child benefit and give child benefit as vouchers for clothes and food.

darkpool

some people are just born to be poor and live in squalor. i get my local paper and it talks about the millions the council invests in council houses. then a few years later the locals have trashed the houses.

if the council didn't give houses to single mums the chavs wouldn't have so many kids. then in a generation or so the crime rate would plummet.

ladymarmalade1970

Absolutely can't believe how stuck up and nasty some folks are on here! Have you no compassion! I too would be devastated if i had paid good money for a house effectively on a council estate. I am not saying council tenants are lower class, as a lot of you seem to infer, but it's the principle of the thing.
All you people that judge and think you are better than others should go get a mirror and take a long, hard look at yourselves! Oh and remember karma cos it's a !!!!!....

JuniorSherlock

Yeah whatever. Born to be poor, that's exactly right. How insightful of you, have you thought of joining the Tory government perchance?

darkpool

Let's all be honest, when you see the chavs out shopping it's hard not to look down on them. What with their sovereign rings and skin tight leggings over their big bums.

they do get their own back on the middle classes though by keying their cars and stopping people outside train stations asking for "45 pence for the bus home big man"

We've had a welfare state for 60 years now. Yet we still have poverty, I think it fair to say some people are just born to be poor.

ILW

JuniorSherlock wrote: »

When you see the kids turn up at our local school with no coats in the middle of winter, with bruises, ill-fitting shoes, crisps for lunch, hair full of lice and unwashed clothes you just want to cry. Yet when the school sends a report to social services, nothing is heard of and the child continues to live much as before. What future do these kids have? They are the kids who grow up to be 'slappers' and can you really blame them?

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Surely much of that is an indirect result of in effect, encouraging girls who who are incapable (emotionally or financially) of having children which they can support themselves. Contraception is cheap and pretty reliable so there is just no excuse.
Always jusifying this sort of behaviour just perpetuates the problems and ultimately the ones that suffer the most are the children born into these households.

dichremy

I'am sorry to hear that!

evoke

There are two types of people: those who live at the expense of others and those who fend for themselves. The latter generally don't want to live in the vicinity of the former. That's just the way things are.

If you work hard and better yourself, you want to move up in the world and live amongst more well-off people. Otherwise, what's the point of trying to better yourself?

It's just the way human nature is and trying to socially engineer 'equality' is simply wrong and it will never work.

JuniorSherlock

darkpool - crawl back under that stone, there's a dear.

ILW. You have to look at what is happening in schools. Sex education teaches children how to have sex, but it doesn't teach them anything about respect, not being afraid to say no and waiting. I have worked in the education sector and I have seen the SE DVDs the govenment want to show in primary schools, I was shocked that not once did the DVD mention about safety or not allowing other people to touch you. Only when it came to the section for 10/11yos did it mention once, briefly, that sex under 16 was illegal. Surely you can see there is something wrong there?

Which is why I am suggesting that child benefit should only be available to parents under the age of 25 once they agree to attend parenting courses. Council houses for young parents should operate much the same system with a 'three strikes and you're out' policy. This will help young people to think carefully before having children and encourage them to take more responsibility for them.

Also, if you encourage them to stay at school by offering further education grants, apprenticeship courses sponsored by local businesses etc then you are offering them a doorway out of poverty. Most businesses however don't employ young people straight from school. I was out of work recently and I'm 38 with a wealth of experience working in offices, with computer programs etc. I struggled to even get an interview and for a whole year I was out of work until I decided to set up on my own. How much harder must it be for young people leaving school to get a job?

Of course some teenagers will still decide to get pregnant (and I note with sadness that it's always the fault of the girl and not the boy who should use condoms) as that's just the way it is at times, but you can seriously reduce those numbers with some clever incentives and support of businesses. Instead this government seems to be hellbent on punishing young people who want to better themselves.