£1.40 a litre

nancyo

I started driving 7 years ago and the petrol has almost doubled in price - SHOCKING!

RenovationMan

moggylover wrote: »

Most of the villages around here no longer have any village shops. There is little work except in the few bigger towns, and then the cost of housing rises significantly, but the wages don't cover that cost, often not even when you take into account the cost of travel.

I think that a return to working on your doorstep is a wonderful idea. That is pretty much the best sense anyone has come up with in fact. However, the logistics of getting the financial sector jobs which predominate in the market (for instance) to move from big city locations appears to be beyond their common sense.

Currently, most of the wealth and opportunity in the UK is squashed into the SE of England, and anyone can see why historically that began. That it makes no sense anymore doesn't appear to be changing it. Other than the SE, there are small pockets of prosperity around the UK, again centred on cities rather than smaller communities and so many people are forced to do the rat run each day, or alternatively be without work at all. In areas such as my own much of the work is seasonal and still needs doing, and still needs people to do it (although almost anything around here involves travelling to get there) but fails miserably to provide much of an income and certainly not a big enough one in the 6/8 months that it is available to last people all year.



If you can come up with ways of insisting that some of the work is shifted from those centres and spread about the UK more reasonably and rationally then you can have my vote at the next election because it does make more sense:D

You still seem to be intent on misunderstanding me, whether deliberate or accidental is not my call to make. However, if you read the bit I put in BOLD:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

So here we see that I have not mentioned anything about moving jobs to people (I said that people will move closer to their jobs), I haven't mentioned anything about moving jobs from cities to the countryside.

To reiterate:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

If you want to talk about this statement rather than try to put words into my mouth to bolster your argument, then I'm happy to join in. If you just want to make up something like "Your saying that we should move jobs from the cities into the countryside? Good luck with that you fool", when I have patently said exactly the opposite, then go for it, but I wont be responding.

Cheers.

RenovationMan

sharnad wrote: »

Yes thats what I am saying, and I would find it hard to find a job close to where I live as there are not many in the area, public transport is dire and it would mean a massive paycut when I have a mortgage to pay

If the price of fuel keeps going up then the cost of getting to your distant employer will be more than what you will lose by getting a local job. You will then have the options of either stumping up the cash to live closer to your existing job, moving to a place with better public transport links or to stay put and accept a worst paid job.

I always try to be close to work, anything over a 30 minute commute is wasteful of my time and my money. I have better things to do with both and Ive always been prepared to pay a premium in accomodation to facilitate this.

SingleSue

RenovationMan wrote: »

You still seem to be intent on misunderstanding me, whether deliberate or accidental is not my call to make. However, if you read the bit I put in BOLD:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

So here we see that I have not mentioned anything about moving jobs to people (I said that people will move closer to their jobs), I haven't mentioned anything about moving jobs from cities to the countryside.

To reiterate:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

If you want to talk about this statement rather than try to put words into my mouth to bolster your argument, then I'm happy to join in. If you just want to make up something like "Your saying that we should move jobs from the cities into the countryside? Good luck with that you fool", when I have patently said exactly the opposite, then go for it, but I wont be responding.

Cheers.

Unfortunately, we can't all move to one little corner of the country where the majority of the jobs are.

What is needed, is less concentration on cities and more concentration on more localised, non city employment.

RenovationMan

SingleSue wrote: »

Unfortunately, we can't all move to one little corner of the country where the majority of the jobs are.

What is needed, is less concentration on cities and more concentration on more localised, non city employment.

Where did I say that everyone/anyone should move to the South East? I am suggesting that people will start to move closer to where they actually work right now.

So if someone has a job in, say, Peterborough, they will move to Peterborough rather than live in Huntingdon and commute each day to Peterborough. If someone works in Hillington Industrian Estate, they live in Paisley rather than in Hogganfield and commute. Etc. Etc.

moggylover

nancyo wrote: »

I started driving 7 years ago and the petrol has almost doubled in price - SHOCKING!

LOL, imagine how shocking it is for those of us that have been driving 34 years and can remember when they could fill their first car at 37 pence PER GALLON:eek:

moggylover

RenovationMan wrote: »

You still seem to be intent on misunderstanding me, whether deliberate or accidental is not my call to make. However, if you read the bit I put in BOLD:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

So here we see that I have not mentioned anything about moving jobs to people (I said that people will move closer to their jobs), I haven't mentioned anything about moving jobs from cities to the countryside.

To reiterate:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

If you want to talk about this statement rather than try to put words into my mouth to bolster your argument, then I'm happy to join in. If you just want to make up something like "Your saying that we should move jobs from the cities into the countryside? Good luck with that you fool", when I have patently said exactly the opposite, then go for it, but I wont be responding.

Cheers.

I see I had misunderstood you:)

But that would be far and away the most expensive option involving the building of vast amounts of new housing (whilst homes in the rest of the UK would end up abandoned as they did in the past) and putting even further pressure on housing costs and services within those areas to say nothing at all of the overcrowding and the increased stress and tendency to violence that comes with squashing people into ever more concentrated pockets.

The cost of housing in many areas is already far and above what those in any minimum or even average wage job can afford. How do you believe that can be overcome by putting more pressure on the housing situation (to say nothing of the schools, hospitals, roads, etc., within those areas)?

moggylover

RenovationMan wrote: »

If the price of fuel keeps going up then the cost of getting to your distant employer will be more than what you will lose by getting a local job. You will then have the options of either stumping up the cash to live closer to your existing job, moving to a place with better public transport links or to stay put and accept a worst paid job.

I always try to be close to work, anything over a 30 minute commute is wasteful of my time and my money. I have better things to do with both and Ive always been prepared to pay a premium in accomodation to facilitate this.

BUT, what if your wages will not pay for a roof over your head and food on the table (at even the most minimum level) if you move to the town, and will also not provide that minimum level if you travel?

AND, what if there simply are no jobs local to your accomodation, or at least, there are insufficient jobs to service the needs of that local population?

wotsthat

RenovationMan wrote: »

So if someone has a job in, say, Peterborough, they will move to Peterborough rather than live in Huntingdon and commute each day to Peterborough. If someone works in Hillington Industrian Estate, they live in Paisley rather than in Hogganfield and commute. Etc. Etc.

You're flogging a dead horse here. Too many love things to be black and white.

If you suggested a £5.00/ litre price point in 5 years time people would argue from the position that they went to bed one night with petrol at £1.40 and then woke up to find it at £5.00 without realising that adjustment takes place as the price increases rather than when it reaches a 'magic' number.

Then you need to extrapolate to extremes and answer a different argument..

Question: why not live closer to work? Answer: How can we fit 60,000,000 people in London?

Question: why not get a job closer to home? Answer: because it will put too much pressure on services when 60,000,000 people move to the countryside

Question: why not get a more fuel efficient car? Answer: I'm waiting for hydrogen jet packs to be introduced.

Question: well what would you do? Nothing but once my income didn't pay for the commute I'd try the benefits system.

RenovationMan

wotsthat wrote: »

You're flogging a dead horse here. Too many love things to be black and white.

If you suggested a £5.00/ litre price point in 5 years time people would argue from the position that they went to bed one night with petrol at £1.40 and then woke up to find it at £5.00 without realising that adjustment takes place as the price increases rather than when it reaches a 'magic' number.

Then you need to extrapolate to extremes and answer a different argument..

Question: why not live closer to work? Answer: How can we fit 60,000,000 people in London?

Question: why not get a job closer to home? Answer: because it will put too much pressure on services when 60,000,000 people move to the countryside

Question: why not get a more fuel efficient car? Answer: I'm waiting for hydrogen jet packs to be introduced.

Question: well what would you do? Nothing but once my income didn't pay for the commute I'd try the benefits system.

Your completely right, waste of time.

Statement: I think that as fuel prices go up, people will start to move towards living closer to work (to reduce their transport costs), put their children in local schools (to reduce their transport costs) and shop in local shops (to reduce their transport costs).

Reply: So you think that jobs should be moved from cities to villages, good luck with that, your living in cloudcuckooland!

Statement: No, no, I think that as fuel prices go up, people will start to move towards living closer to work (to reduce their transport costs), put their children in local schools (to reduce their transport costs) and shop in local shops (to reduce their transport costs).

To save people having to wade through a lot of posts on this thread, here is the ensuing discussion:

Reply: So you think that everyone should give up their jobs in towns and villages across the land and move to their nearest cities? That will cost a fortune in new houses that need to be built to house them.

Statement: No, no, I think that if people have a job in a certain town and yet live outside that town and commute,then higher fuel prices might convince them to relocate to the town they work in, saving money and time.

Reply: So you think that people should be forced against their will to move from where they may have lived as children to where they happen to be working at the time? Your economic model that you are talking about wont work, my young fellow!

Statement: No, no , I think that people will make the choice based on their ability to afford fuel. Some will decide to continue to commute, even though it doesnt make financial sense, perhaps because they are attached to a particular home or location and some will do the calculations and decide that they will relocate to save transport costs, even if it means that their mortgage is higher. They might feel that a lot of the increase in mortgage is covered by the reduction in transport costs and in the increase in their quality of life. Plus they might prefer to invest their transport money in a property that will gain value long-term than waste it on petrol or train/bus fairs.

Reply: So you are saying that we should all buy BTLS!!!???

Statement: Fin.