£1.40 a litre

GRM

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

Well, shows what happens if the last time you looked at something was a few years back!

True. I had one about 8 years ago when I was doing 25,000 private miles a year and if asked to guess what the position was now, I'd have agreed with you. Curiosity made me have a quick look at the HMRC site.

Viper_7

Get ready for the theft to start.....
It's VERY easy to steal fuel from a vehicles tank, and with the price increases it makes it even more attractive to do so.

People will soon be waking up to find all the tanks in the village have been drained...

moggylover

RenovationMan wrote: »

I dunno if these points have been made already, I'm a little late on this thread and I only have the capacity to read the first and last page of a thread. Anyway...

1) Martin Lewis tells us to only fill up our tanks halfway because we would waste fuel transporting the fuel around with us.

2) The higher fuel bills are, the more people start becoming green and buying more efficient cars. An efficient car not only uses less fuel but produces less harmful emmissions - great for all of us.

3) The higher fuel bills are, the more people will start to drift back to communities where they live, work and go to school in the same eare, where they start using the high street and village shops more.

My sister and her family are a great example of how bad things are getting in regards to cars. She has a car, her husband has a car, her daughter has a car and now her son is learning to drive in anticipation of getting a car. They live in a 3 bed semi with space on the drive for 1 car and space in front of the house for another. The kids park wherever they can on the street, usually in front of other people's houses who also have parking problems. This is the same all over the country, with cars clogging up the streets.

I cant wait for petrol prices and insurance costs to drive people out of their cars and into their communities and onto public transport.

Bring - it - on!

You live in cloud cuckoo land! Where there are villages and homes available there are no jobs, and the house prices shoot up out of reach of locals to pander to infestations of incomers!

We would need a very much bigger rationalisation across the UK to make that work anymore.

I was wrong btw (or it has gone down since last week) my diesel was 133.9 this week. However, it might be because that was Carmarthen Tesco not Cardigan because it wouldn't be the first time there had been a big gap between those two towns on pricing.

RenovationMan

moggylover wrote: »

You live in cloud cuckoo land! Where there are villages and homes available there are no jobs, and the house prices shoot up out of reach of locals to pander to infestations of incomers!

We would need a very much bigger rationalisation across the UK to make that work anymore.

I was wrong btw (or it has gone down since last week) my diesel was 133.9 this week. However, it might be because that was Carmarthen Tesco not Cardigan because it wouldn't be the first time there had been a big gap between those two towns on pricing.

Its already happening, especially with those who do not need to be in the office to do their work. It wont be an overnight thing as you rather naively (?) seem to indicate, rather a gradual process with ever increasing numbers choosing their job and home locations on the basis of reduced or zero travel costs.

As you dont live in 'cloudcookooland', why not let us all know how you think our current society could manage with ever increasing fuel costs? How will people get to these out of town shopping centres, take their children to non-local schools or commute to employment not serviced by public transport? Use hydrogen powered jet packs? Star trek style transporters? solar powered hovercars?

System

I'm very tempted by a 2nd hand polo bluemotion. Not very cool but 80mpg and 0 tax.

Some on autotrader for less than 7k, I reckon in 4 years it would have paid for itself in fuel and tax savings.

moggylover

RenovationMan wrote: »

Its already happening, especially with those who do not need to be in the office to do their work. It wont be an overnight thing as you rather naively (?) seem to indicate, rather a gradual process with ever increasing numbers choosing their job and home locations on the basis of reduced or zero travel costs.

As you dont live in 'cloudcookooland', why not let us all know how you think our current society could manage with ever increasing fuel costs? How will people get to these out of town shopping centres, take their children to non-local schools or commute to employment not serviced by public transport? Use hydrogen powered jet packs? Star trek style transporters? solar powered hovercars?

I'm one of those that does work from home on her puter: so I agree entirely that it is possible.

However, you have ignored the points I raised regarding the pressure on housing in rural areas (such as the one I actually live in;)) and they already explain that situation.

I agree that we need to do something fairly radical, however, hydrogen powered jet packs might not be such an airy-fairy idea in the time that it will take to engineer the changes to our lifestyles that you suggest.

Not that I think the idea is entirely without merit: however, I think the resistance to those sort of changes will be huge, and the cost of the infrastructure such that it will be put off until the very last moment and then done badly.

sharnad

RenovationMan wrote: »

Its already happening, especially with those who do not need to be in the office to do their work. It wont be an overnight thing as you rather naively (?) seem to indicate, rather a gradual process with ever increasing numbers choosing their job and home locations on the basis of reduced or zero travel costs.

As you dont live in 'cloudcookooland', why not let us all know how you think our current society could manage with ever increasing fuel costs? How will people get to these out of town shopping centres, take their children to non-local schools or commute to employment not serviced by public transport? Use hydrogen powered jet packs? Star trek style transporters? solar powered hovercars?

Your right but asI cant really afford a house in the area I grew up in and so have to travel to work , I don t have much choice I cant work from home. Public transport takes an hour journey into a four hour journey and there are no jobs where I live

I suppose the easier thing to do for us having to drive to work would be to go on the dole let the goverment pay for all our stuff and hang around the house

RenovationMan

sharnad wrote: »

Your right but asI cant really afford a house in the area I grew up in and so have to travel to work , I don t have much choice I cant work from home. Public transport takes an hour journey into a four hour journey and there are no jobs where I live

I suppose the easier thing to do for us having to drive to work would be to go on the dole let the goverment pay for all our stuff and hang around the house

Are you saying that close to where you work, there is not a single property that you can afford to buy or rent. Not a single one?

Even if that is the case, why not change to a job that is close to where you now live?

There are more options available than just giving up work and going on the dole, though that one does seem to be the Economy board's 'stock in trade':

"I cant get to work cheaply, I might as well go on the dole!"

"I pay too much tax, I might as well go on the dole!"

"I cant get the lid off this jam jar, I might as well go on the dole!"

RenovationMan

moggylover wrote: »

I'm one of those that does work from home on her puter: so I agree entirely that it is possible.

However, you have ignored the points I raised regarding the pressure on housing in rural areas (such as the one I actually live in;)) and they already explain that situation.

I agree that we need to do something fairly radical, however, hydrogen powered jet packs might not be such an airy-fairy idea in the time that it will take to engineer the changes to our lifestyles that you suggest.

Not that I think the idea is entirely without merit: however, I think the resistance to those sort of changes will be huge, and the cost of the infrastructure such that it will be put off until the very last moment and then done badly.

I didnt say that everyone had to go and live in rural areas. I said that people will drift back to using the high street and village shops. Obviously if you live in a village, you will use village shops. If you dont live in a village, then there are no village shops to use, but there are few towns that dont have high streets. If you live in a city, then you have lots of local shops on your doorstep.

There we go; villages, towns and cities all included and not a mention of everyone having to live rurally in the whole thread.

As far as people resisting, its more like people choosing to do this because the alternative is to spend more money commuting and driving to out of town shopping centres than you actually earn or actually spend.

I think you have gotten confused somewhat and have started putting words into my mouth, perhaps to bolster your argument? Anyway, to recap:

I think that as transports costs increase, we will see a move towards people living closer to where they work, putting their kids in local schools and shopping in local shops.

I think this will result in a return to communities because workmates will live near to each other, school kids will live near to each other and housewives/house husbands will know each other from visiting the local shops. i.e. people will know more people who live near them.

Simples.

FATBALLZ

RenovationMan wrote: »

I think you have gotten confused somewhat and have started putting words into my mouth, perhaps to bolster your argument?

Don't worry, you're by no means the first victim of her 'debating' style.